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18/11/03 - Soham Trial Transcript
Tuesday, 18 November 2003
SKY News
Richard Latham is the chief prosecutor; his colleague
on the prosecution team is Karim Khalil QC. Stephen
Coward QC is Ian Huntley's defence barrrister.Michael
Hubbard QC is Maxine Carr's defence lawyer. Mr Justice
Moses is the judge. Other witnesses and lawyers are introduced
as they appear.
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GARY IDDENTEN
police Constable 1320 GARY IDDENTEN, Cambridge Constabulary,
currently based at Parkside police station.
MR LATHAM
I think you were attached to Parkside station last year
in August, weren't you?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
I start by asking you about Tuesday, 6th August. I think
during the course of the day you became aware of the two
girls who were missing, and found yourself asked to go
to Soham Village College about 5.30 in the evening; is
that right?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
you went with a number of other officers?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
Within a short time of your arrival a fellow officer,
a Constable Creasey came back towards you with a man who
you later discovered was Ian Huntley, I think?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
and as soon as Mr Huntley arrived, did he announce to
you who he was and what he did?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
what did he say he was?
GARY IDDENTEN
initially the caretaker.
MR LATHAM
the caretaker of the school?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
can I, as it were, get first impressions about this man
from you? Within the first few minutes you were talking
to him and starting to work with him, weren't you?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
what did you notice about him when you first saw him?
GARY IDDENTEN
clean-cut image, very impressionable, caretaker.
MR JUSTICE MOSES
what exactly?
GARY IDDENTEN
impressionable.
MR JUSTICE MOSES
(inaudible).
MR LATHAM
how was his general demeanour; how was he dealing with
you and your fellow officers?
GARY IDDENTEN
very helpful.
MR LATHAM
did he have a large set of keys with him?
GARY IDDENTEN
yes, he did.
MR LATHAM
within a short time, I think he was talking to Sergeant
Barker about the overall picture, as it were, of the school
and the alarm system, was he not?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
what was his indication to you, the police, about the
alarm situation at the site?
GARY IDDENTEN
the school was alarmed and if it had been activated he
would have known about it.
MR LATHAM
if it was activated he would have known about it?
GARY IDDENTEN
That's correct.
MR LATHAM
as a result of that was a decision made in relation to
the search which you were going to be involved in?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
what was that?
GARY IDDENTEN
just to search the certain parts of the building.
MR LATHAM
to search?
GARY IDDENTEN
Certain parts of the building.
MR LATHAM
which parts of the building?
GARY IDDENTEN
I believe it was----
MR LATHAM
by "category", you just told us about alarms
and that some of the building was alarmed, so that is
a category of building, the bit that was alarmed. Did
you understand some the building wasn't alarmed?
GARY IDDENTEN
That's correct.
MR LATHAM
What was the fundamental decision made by those in your
team about searching in the light of that information
he had given you?
GARY IDDENTEN
the northern alarmed parts would be searched.
MR LATHAM
as you were working your way round the site were there
doors that were locked?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
who was unlocking them if they were unlocked?
GARY IDDENTEN
the defendant.
MR LATHAM
Mr Huntley?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
at that stage, what in fact were you searching for, what
was your brief?
GARY IDDENTEN
searching for two missing girls.
MR LATHAM
were you looking, as it were, for clues or were you looking
for physically looking for girls?
GARY IDDENTEN
physically looking for two missing girls.
MR LATHAM
within a short time of your arrival on the site and starting
to search, did you get an instruction?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
what was that?
GARY IDDENTEN
to return back to Ely.
MR LATHAM
how how long do you think you had been searching on the
site by the time that in instruction came through?
GARY IDDENTEN
I can't remember the exact time.
MR LATHAM
I am not asking an exact, approximately how long had you
been searching?
GARY IDDENTEN
it was within an hour.
MR LATHAM
had you been expecting that your time there would be as
short as about an hour?
GARY IDDENTEN
no.
MR LATHAM
during the time you had been searching, where had Mr Huntley
been in relation to you and your other fellow officers?
GARY IDDENTEN
just helping about, just hovering.
MR LATHAM
you are suddenly instructed to return to Ely police station,
anything said by Mr Huntley?
GARY IDDENTEN
there was a comment made, I can't remember exactly. Do
you have any notes at all relating to this day?
GARY IDDENTEN
the statement is my original notes.
MR LATHAM
that was made sometime later, wasn't it?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
can you remember anything he said? What was his reaction
to the news that you were going back to Ely after an hour?
GARY IDDENTEN
surprised by the fact we were leaving so quickly.
MR LATHAM
did he ask you anything?
GARY IDDENTEN
I think he asked why we were going back.
MR LATHAM
What did you say?
GARY IDDENTEN
I can't remember exactly, just called back to Ely police
station.
MR LATHAM
I think- did he give you any other indication of anything
that had happened to him up to the point he had met you
in relation to the girls or to the police?
GARY IDDENTEN
no.
MR LATHAM
I think you started duty the following day at six o'clock
in the morning at Ely police station, is that correct?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
did you go back to Soham Village College, getting there
at about 8, in fact?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
did you want to get access to various parts of the school
on the following day, the Wednesday?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's right.
MR LATHAM
was the school still locked up when you got there?
GARY IDDENTEN
yes, it was.
MR LATHAM
by you, I take it you were working with other----?
GARY IDDENTEN
yes, I was.
MR LATHAM
did there come a time when you saw Ian Huntley again?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
and did he work with you on his own again on this occasion
or did others become involved from the school?
GARY IDDENTEN
there was other personnel involved.
MR LATHAM
and how did they come to be involved? Who involved them?
GARY IDDENTEN
Mr Huntley.
MR LATHAM
I think you met a Michael Gee, didn't you?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
do you recollect there was a- when you became interested
in a large building which looked rather like a small aircraft
hangar near some tennis courts or hard standing?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
who from the school was with you when you first started
to take an interest in that building?
GARY IDDENTEN
Mr Huntley.
MR LATHAM
did either you or an officer who was with you ask any
questions about that building?
GARY IDDENTEN
access, who would have access to the building.
MR LATHAM
by "who would have access to it", what was meant
by that?
GARY IDDENTEN
who would have the keys.
MR LATHAM
right. Anything else asked about that building?
GARY IDDENTEN
was it alarmed.
MR LATHAM
was it alarmed? What answer, if any, did Mr Huntley give
you to that?
GARY IDDENTEN
I can't remember.
MR LATHAM
who had access to the building, who has got the key? Did
Mr Huntley have the key, you spoke to him when you first
asked the question?
GARY IDDENTEN
there was some discrepancy at the time as to whether he
had a key to open it up or not.
MR LATHAM
was it ever opened?
GARY IDDENTEN
not as far as I'm aware initially when we were there,
no.
MR LATHAM
did you ever go into the hangar?
GARY IDDENTEN
yes, I did.
MR LATHAM
how did you get into the hangar? Was it locked when you
arrived at the door?
GARY IDDENTEN
initially it was locked and then it was opened up by Mr
Huntley.
MR LATHAM
so Mr Huntley opened it up? Were you present while he
actually unlocked the door, or not?
GARY IDDENTEN
no.
MR LATHAM
which end of the hangar did you go in, one or both ends?
GARY IDDENTEN
One end.
MR LATHAM
what sort of things did it have in, the end you were in?
GARY IDDENTEN
shelves and technological type equipment.
MR LATHAM
did you carry on searching around during the course of
the morning in other places apart from the hangar?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
did you notice at one stage something outside in the open
that you asked some questions about, something large,
out in the open? A skip? Did you notice a skip?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
tell us about that, please?
GARY IDDENTEN
whilst I was with my colleagues waiting for the search
we noticed the skip was actually in the school grounds.
MR LATHAM
do you remember roughly where was in relation to the site
now?
GARY IDDENTEN
vaguely, yes, it was the footpath that runs between the
school grounds and the Ross Peers Centre.
MR LATHAM
That's a long path that runs straight past, running from
the Ross Peers Centre right towards the Junior School,
St Andrew's, wasn't it?
GARY IDDENTEN
yes.
MR LATHAM
this skip was where in relation to that path?
GARY IDDENTEN
if you was walking to Ross Peers on the left it would
be on the right hand side so----
MR LATHAM
At the side of the Lodeside part of the school?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
was there anything in it that you could see as you looked
at it?
GARY IDDENTEN
carpet material and a VDU equipment.
MR LATHAM
VDU?
GARY IDDENTEN
computer equipment.
MR LATHAM
anything else apart from carpet and the computer equipment?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's all.
MR LATHAM
while you were searching, did you become aware that a
discovery had been made about something in the Ross Peers
Sports Centre?
GARY IDDENTEN
that is correct.
MR LATHAM
what did you learn might be the case about the Ross Peers
centre?
GARY IDDENTEN
I was informed by special Constable (inaudible) there
was a video of interest.
MR LATHAM
when you were informed of that fact, can you remember
roughly where you were on the site?
GARY IDDENTEN
in the tennis court area.
MR LATHAM
and you have described Mr Huntley as helping you during
part of that morning, unlocking things for you; where
was he at that stage when you learned about the CCTV?
GARY IDDENTEN
To my recollection, nearby.
MR LATHAM
nearby? Did you ask permission from your sergeant to go
and see this tape?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
I think you went down to the sport centre?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
about how long were you down looking at this tape?
GARY IDDENTEN
minutes.
MR LATHAM
did you see Mr Huntley again?
GARY IDDENTEN
yes, I did.
MR LATHAM
where were you both when you next saw him?
GARY IDDENTEN
as you come out the leisure centre, Ross Peers, there
is a foot bath.
MR LATHAM
you come out of the door sideways on, isn't it?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
you were just outside the reception area?
GARY IDDENTEN
towards the park area.
MR LATHAM
you saw Mr Huntley. Did he say anything?
GARY IDDENTEN
"anything interesting?"
MR LATHAM
"anything interesting?"
what did you reply?
GARY IDDENTEN
a video that needs to be looked at.
MR LATHAM
apart from the Lodeside site, I think you also went to
Beechurst, didn't you?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
and did Ian Huntley take you in there?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
did he show you somewhere in particular within Beechurst,
a particular room which he referred to?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
what was that?
GARY IDDENTEN
one of his offices.
MR LATHAM
what sort of size of room was it that he was pointing
out to you?
GARY IDDENTEN
a very small room.
MR LATHAM
did he describe it in any particular way?
GARY IDDENTEN
I can't remember.
MR LATHAM
was there anything in the room that you recollect?
GARY IDDENTEN
A computer terminal on the desk.
MR LATHAM
any conversation about that?
GARY IDDENTEN
about Internet access.
MR LATHAM
the conversation with whom?
GARY IDDENTEN
Mr Huntley.
MR LATHAM
so Internet access. Who was getting Internet access?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
No, who was getting it?
GARY IDDENTEN
Mr Huntley. Transcript edited by Sky News
MR LATHAM
checked on the night and a negative result on the night.
MR JUSTICE MOSES
Monday (inaudible).
MR LATHAM
(inaudible) (to the witness) finally I think you went
back to the site again some days later on Sunday, the
11th, didn't you?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
so exactly a week after the girls disappeared?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
were you on that occasion given a specific task as part
of a team?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
what was the task?
GARY IDDENTEN
Search the area next to the tennis courts.
MR LATHAM
were there any houses?
GARY IDDENTEN
yes there was.
MR LATHAM
what were these houses known as, were they on a road you
can name?
GARY IDDENTEN
as you go into College Road, College Close and an area
at the back of the houses.
MR LATHAM
anywhere near the hangar?
GARY IDDENTEN
In between the hangar and the houses.
MR LATHAM
it is just that there is another area we have been referring
to as the tennis court area, which is right up by St Andrew's
school, the primary school, at the top there is some tennis
courts up there. Is that the area you are referring to,
or another area of hard standing with fencing?
GARY IDDENTEN
the area with the hangar, with the tennis courts next
to it.
MR LATHAM
the Jury will recollect, I'm sure, the two different areas.
Now, when you arrived immediately behind College Close
to search that area, did anyone come up to you?
GARY IDDENTEN
Mr Huntley.
MR LATHAM
what was said?
GARY IDDENTEN
He explained he believed the area had already been searched
by another force.
MR LATHAM
who said that?
GARY IDDENTEN
Mr Huntley.
MR LATHAM
that another force had already searched the area?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
and what was your reply to that?
GARY IDDENTEN
I explained that we just had to get on with what we had
been told to do.
MR LATHAM
I think that was the last time you saw Ian Huntley?
GARY IDDENTEN
that's correct.
MR LATHAM
will you wait there, please.
MR COWARD
no questions.
MR JUSTICE MOSES
thank you very much
(the witness withdrew).
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