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19/11/03 - Soham Trial Transcript
Wednesday, 19 November 2003
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Richard Latham is the chief prosecutor; his colleague
on the prosecution team is Karim Khalil QC.
Stephen Coward QC is Ian Huntley's defence barrrister.
Michael Hubbard QC is Maxine Carr's defence lawyer.
MR JUSTICE MOSES is the judge.
Other witnesses and lawyers are introduced as they appear.
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MR KHALIL
detective Constable Hope, please, 1446. my Lord, page
13 of the chronology now.
(MICHELLE HOPE, sworn)
Examined by MR KHALIL
MR KHALIL
Your full name, please.
MICHELLE HOPE
my name is MICHELLE HOPE. I work for Suffolk Constabulary
as a Constable, currently based at Bury St Edmunds.
MR KHALIL
I want to ask you, please, about Saturday 10th August
last year. I think, with other officers from Suffolk police,
you were seconded to assist in the operation and inquiry
of the search for the missing girls Holly Wells and Jessica
Chapman?
MICHELLE HOPE
correct.
MR KHALIL
that at two o'clock, did you go through Soham looking
for somewhere to eat?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes.
MR KHALIL
you had a break and then you made your way to the address
at 5 College Close?
MICHELLE HOPE
that's correct.
MR KHALIL
about what time was it when you arrived there, please?
MICHELLE HOPE
about 2.45 p.m.
MR KHALIL
thank you. you knocked on the door?
MICHELLE
HOPE
yes we did.
MR KHALIL
did anyone answer?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, a female answered, who I now know to be Maxine Carr.
MR KHALIL
did anyone join her there?
MICHELLE
HOPE
yes a male I now know to be Ian Huntley.
MR
KHALIL
did he have anything with him?
MICHELLE
HOPE
he had a dog with him.
MR KHALIL
can you recall the type of dog?
MICHELLE
HOPE
it was a long haired, black, sort of Alsation-type.
MR KHALIL
what was their attitude as they met you at the door?
MICHELLE HOPE
To start with, I thought they were a bit anti-police because
Miss Carr just said "Yeah?".
MR
KHALIL
were you dressed in uniform?
MICHELLE
HOPE
no.
MR KHALIL
were you at this point alone, or with other colleagues?
MICHELLE HOPE
I was with another colleague, DC Long.
MR
KHALIL
you identified yourselves?
MICHELLE
HOPE
yes, we did.
MR KHALIL
what was the attitude then?
MICHELLE
HOPE
they both smiled and actually apologised for being a bit
off with us, but they thought we were the press.
MR COWARD
before my learned friend gets into what the woman detective
constable has to say, I would be very grateful, for my
client's sake, if we could have a very short break , and
I mean a very short break.
MR JUSTICE
MOSES
right, five minutes
{short adjournment}
MR KHALIL
officer, Saturday, quarter to 3, you are on the front
doorstep. You identified yourself and they seemed to have
relaxed a, bit on hearing that news. did they invite you
in?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, they did. .
MR KHALIL
was it made plain they thought you were the press and
that was why they were anxious upon first seeing you?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes.
MR KHALIL
the door closed behind you; was the dog settled there?
MICHELLE HOPE
the dog was around at that time and as I had dogs I gave
the dog my hand to sniff just so it was relaxed.
MR KHALIL
were you taken then through the house and into lounge
or sitting room area?
MICHELLE HOPE
That's correct, yes.
MR KHALIL
As far as the appearance of the house was concerned did
that strike you at all?
MICHELLE HOPE
it was very clean, very tidy, some of the furniture in
the lounge area looked a bit older-type but very clean
and tidy.
MR KHALIL
there was large dog you have described there, anything
about that?
MICHELLE HOPE
I was quite amazed it didn't smell of dog in the house,
and it was a long-haired dog and there didn't seem to
be lots of hairs about either.
MR KHALIL
having gone into the lounge did anybody smoke in there?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, they did, Mr Huntley appeared to be smoking rather
a lot of cigarettes.
MR KHALIL
where was he putting the ash for those?
MICHELLE
HOPE
in what appeared to be a saucer-type ash tray which was
very full at the time.
MR KHALIL
did you smell a cigarette smell around the house?
MICHELLE HOPE
no. Again, you couldn't even smell that. It was very clean
and smelt very fresh in there.
MR KHALIL
So you and your colleague - Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr
in the house as well?
MICHELLE HOPE
that's correct.
MR KHALIL
did you explain, or your colleague explain, why you were
there?
MICHELLE HOPE
Yes, DC Long explained why we were there.
MR
KHALIL
what, in short, was said to Mr Huntley?
MICHELLE
HOPE
DC Long explained we had been asked to come round to clarify
some details and to get a statement from him.
MR KHALIL
why was that?
MICHELLE HOPE
to clarify his movements that weekend.
MR
KHALIL
Did he respond ?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, he did, he was not angry but exasperated, I would
say; he said the police had been round so many times,
he helped them search for the girls and they had to go
to the garage, break into the garage, and I think we heard
40 police officers had gone round.
MR
KHALIL
did he indicate he had made a statement to the police?
MICHELLE HOPE
Yes, he said he had made a statement.
MR
KHALIL
what questions were then asked of him, please?
MICHELLE HOPE
sorry.
MR KHALIL
what questions were then asked of Mr Huntley?
MICHELLE HOPE
DC Long then wanted to take Mr Huntley's DNA, and was
asked if he had given DNA and Mr Huntley said he had not.
MR KHALIL
how was the sample going to be taken?
MICHELLE
HOPE
A mouth swab.
MR KHALIL
Was that taken with you there?
MICHELLE
HOPE
Yes.
MR KHALIL
Did Maxine Carr say anything?
MICHELLE
HOPE
I asked if she had made a statement.
MR
KHALIL
Did she reply?
MICHELLE HOPE
she said she had made a statement.
MR
KHALIL
Did you ask her about a written one?
MICHELLE
HOPE
I actually asked if it was a full written one, and had
she had it read out to her and signed it at the bottom.
MR KHALIL
How did she reply?
MICHELLE HOPE
She didn't get to reply. Mr Huntley replied for her.
MR KHALIL
what hid he reply?
MICHELLE HOPE
he said "No you haven't. You need to make a statement."
MR KHALIL
What was his manner as he answered for her?
MICHELLE HOPE
just as if he butted in and said it, and whatever she
was going to say, she didn't get a chance to say.
MR KHALIL
Did she then say anything or not?
MICHELLE
HOPE
no she didn't.
MR KHALIL
do you know why, or what the attitude was?
MICHELLE
HOPE
no.
MR KHALIL
did you then determine to try and take a statement from
her?
MICHELLE HOPE
I did. I asked if there was somewhere else to go, so I
could obtain a statement. Did you take her somewhere else?
MICHELLE HOPE
I was taken through to a very small dining area, next
to the kitchen, and just myself and Miss Carr went through
there.
MR KHALIL
right. so you leave your colleague with Mr Huntley in
the lounge?
MICHELLE HOPE
correct.
MR KHALIL
you go into a separate room?
MICHELLE
HOPE
Yes.
MR KHALIL
door open or closed, do you recall?
MICHELLE
HOPE
I think the door where we were was open, but I believe-
later on, I believe I heard the door going from the lounge,
so I think someone must have closed that but (inaudible).
MR KHALIL
having gone into this room, did you then set about taking
a statement from her?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, I did.
MR KHALIL
just tell us please, the process, the little process that
going through----?
MICHELLE HOPE
I asked Miss Huntley if she could explain to me where
she had been on Sunday 4th August, from 4 o'clock onwards,
and she first went through why they were living there,
and how they had come to be living at the house, and then
she began to go through the process. we spoke through
the whole process first, because she was very clear and
accurate, I decided to take the statement straight away.
MR KHALIL
before you start writing, roughly how long were the two
of you talking to one another about what she had to say?
MICHELLE HOPE
5 to 10 minutes.
MR KHALIL
in that time, did she give you the entire account or did
you simply get to the point where you were ready to take
the account?
MICHELLE HOPE
no I had the entire account.
MR KHALIL
no notes taken during that short period?
MICHELLE
HOPE
no.
MR KHALIL
But then you start to actually take the statement?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, that's correct.
MR KHALIL
was that done in manuscript?
MICHELLE
HOPE
Yes, it was.
MR KHALIL
Did you simply write down what he remembered her having
said in the previous few minutes or what?
MICHELLE
HOPE
no, I asked her to go through it all again and we went
through it all slowly.
MR KHALIL
at the end of writing it out, was she shown or read through
what you had committed to paper?
MICHELLE
HOPE
my writing is not too good, so I read it through.
MR KHALIL
all right. as you did that, did she disagree with anything
that was in it?
MICHELLE HOPE
no, nothing at all.
MR KHALIL
was she asked to sign it?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, she was.
MR KHALIL
did she agree to do so?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, she did.
MR KHALIL
I want you, please, to be given, and the Jury to have,
tab one in the Jury bundle, a statement of Maxine Carr,
page 4, that first tab. have you got the original manuscript?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, I have.
MR KHALIL
as well as the typed version?
MICHELLE
HOPE
Yes.
MR KHALIL
If you could ensure, as we go through it, there are not
any unforeseen errors in the typed version. we can see
it is the statement of Maxine Ann Carr, dated 10th August
and there is a declaration at the type of the page?
MICHELLE HOPE
that's correct.
MR KHALIL
that declaration was read over to her?
MICHELLE
HOPE
yes, it was.
MR KHALIL
just to read "I live with my fiance, Ian Huntley,
at 5 College Close, Soham, locally known as the caretaker's
house. Ian is the site officer for Soham Village College
and this house is in the grounds of the college and comes
with Ian's job. Ian started his job in November 2001.
We moved into the house in January 2002. almost immediately,
I began doing voluntary work helping in the classes.
I started with the really young ones. Three weeks before
the Easter holiday in March/April time, I was employed
by the school, St Andrew's Primary School, on a temporary
basis as a general assistant. The school is in the same
ground as the college. at that point I was working with
five to six year-olds. After the Easter break I went into
year 5 which was nine and ten year olds. This involves
helping the teachers and the children out.
I was in classes 11 and 12, the same group split into
two classes of about 30 children. Holly Wells and Jessica
Chapman were in class 12, Mrs (inaudible)'s class. All
the children in the class were very friendly and I got
on with all of them. They thought I was cool. I was younger
than most of the other teachers. My employment finished
with the school when it broke off for summer break on
25th July. although I enjoyed the work I was unsuccessful
in obtaining the permanent position.
On Sunday, 4th August 2002, I wanted to relax so I had
a bath. I believe I got into the bath about 4.55 pm. I
was having a soak and after about 20 to 30 minutes, Ian
shouted up the dog was dirty and he would need to bath
her. I finished off in the bath and got out. After about
15 minutes or so Ian came upstairs...." (Break in
transcript) "....they were sorry I didn't get the
job at school. I asked him who they were and he said he
didn't know.
He described them as having Man United strips on. One
of them had dark hair and one blonde hair. I thought it
was nice the girls had asked after me, but didn't work
out who they were. I have seen the girls outside of school
before, but not together. Didn't think anything more of
it until the police arrived later that evening saying
someone had gone missing and Ian had to go to the college
to show them around. I had not seen Holly or Jess since
school broke up." does that accord with your handwritten
original?
MICHELLE HOPE
that's correct.
MR KHALIL
aside from that, we note at the foot of the first transcribed
page that there was conversation about the dog being dirty
and needing to be bathed?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes.
MR KHALIL
did she tell you anything else about the dog that day?
MICHELLE HOPE
the dog was what she called "on heat".
MR KHALIL
did she say where it had been?
MICHELLE
HOPE
Ian had gone out for a walk and the dog ran away and got
dirty, mucky.
MR KHALIL
she told you, in the statement, she wished to "relax
and have a bath." Did she say why that was said?
MICHELLE HOPE
she said she was suffering from a very heavy period and
wanted to ease her pain.
MR KHALIL
during the time that you were first discussing, the first
5 or 10 minutes after you walked through, what was her
manner and attitude when she gave the account initially?
MICHELLE HOPE
she was very clear, very helpful and came across very
nicely.
MR KHALIL
you then actually sit down and write out in long hand?
MICHELLE HOPE
Yes.
MR KHALIL
how long did had take?
MICHELLE HOPE
It didn't take long, because she knew, again whatever
I asked her, she was very clear in it, so I would say
20, 30 minutes.
MR KHALIL
her attitude and manner as you wrote it out?
MICHELLE HOPE
very helpful, very clear.
MR KHALIL
I referred to the declaration at the top of that page,
this statement consisting of 3 pages signed by her "...is
true to the best of my knowledge and belief. I make it,
knowing if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable
to prosecution if I willfully state anything I know to
be e and do not believe to be true"?
MICHELLE
HOPE
that's correct.
MR KHALIL
which she then signed?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, she did.
MR KHALIL
you read that over to her?
MICHELLE
HOPE
yes, I did.
MR KHALIL
did she react in any way to having that read to her?
MICHELLE HOPE
no.
MR KHALIL
so far as the two girls were concerned, you cated she
said they liked her and thought she was "cool".
Did she say anything further about anything they might
have given her?
MICHELLE HOPE
she said at end of term Holly actually gave her a card
and a box of chocolates and said, sorry you didn't get
the job, or something similar, and we'll see you soon.
MR KHALIL
did she say when she realised it was when those two girls
had gone missing?
MICHELLE HOPE
she said the following day.
MR KHALIL
how did that come about?
MICHELLE HOPE
I can't recall it.
MR KHALIL
having completed the statement-taking, did you return
to your colleague or----?
MICHELLE HOPE
no, just as I was finishing off the statement with DC
Long, Mr Huntley came into the room - just as I was reading
the statement out to Miss Carr.
MR KHALIL
was that - surely - the end of your dealing with her?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, it was.
MR KHALIL
I think you became aware of another person, probably a
French reporter, in the vicinity, is that right?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, there was a knock on the door and Mr Huntley said
it was a reporter. He opened the door and saw a female
there.
MR KHALIL
did you leave thereafter?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes, once the reporter had gone he closed the door again
we gave it a couple of minutes and then we left.
MR KHALIL
thank you very much, there may be some other questions
for you.
Cross-examined by MR COWARD
MR COWARD
officer, just two matters you were, were you, aware before
you went to see Mr Huntley that he had already made a
witness statement to the police?
MICHELLE
HOPE
no, we weren't aware that he had made a full witness statement;
it was very early on in the inquiry so we weren't quite
sure what had he had actually made.
MR
COWARD
so you neither saw the written statement that he made
on the 5th August, nor were you told the contents of it?
MICHELLE HOPE
no.
MR COWARD
thank you. The second point this were you aware from conversations
with police officers that on Wednesday, 7th August, Mr
Huntley had indicated to Detective Sergeant Mead that
he wanted to change the time that he saw the girls and
make a further statement?
MICHELLE HOPE
Yes, I think that is what DC Long obtained a statement
about----
MR COWARD
that was one of the reasons why you were actually at the
house?
MICHELLE HOPE
yes.
MR COWARD
thank you very much.
MR KHALIL
Detective Constable long, please, 145, please.
(STEPHEN LONG, sworn)
Examined by MR KHALIL.
MR KHALIL
Can you tell us your full name, please.
STEPHEN LONG
STEPHEN LONG, Detective Constable, Suffolk Constabulary.
MR KHALIL
officer, we have just heard from your colleague about
quarter to 3 in the afternoon of Saturday, 10th August,
you and Constable Hope went to 5 College Close, Soham.
Is that right?
STEPHEN LONG
that's correct.
MR KHALIL
You went into the sting room and indicated you were there
making further inquiries?
STEPHEN LONG
Yes.
MR KHALIL
your colleague went into a separate room with Miss Carr,
where she took a statement----?
STEPHEN
LONG
correct, yes.
MR KHALIL
----leaving you with Mr Huntley in the living room?
STEPHEN LONG
correct.
MR KHALIL
whilst you remained with Mr Huntley, did you get into
conversation with him?
STEPHEN LONG
I did, yes.
MR KHALIL
and in broad terms, what were the topics you were talking
about?
STEPHEN LONG
initially, he was telling about the events earlier in
the week, when he had seen the two girls .
MR
KHALIL
can you tell us what he told you about that, please?
STEPHEN LONG
he told me outside his house that evening his dog had
run off. He was outside cleaning his dog up when the two
girls walked past.
MR KHALIL
did he say from where they had come?
STEPHEN
LONG
he did not, no.
MR KHALIL
did he say whether he knew the girls?
STEPHEN
LONG
not that (inaudible).
MR KHALIL
did he speak to them or they to him?
STEPHEN
LONG
he told me they said to him, tell Maxine "We are
sorry she didn't get the job."
MR
KHALIL
what did he say he had done on receiving that news?
STEPHEN LONG
He went inside the house - went to see Maxine Carr who,
he told me, was in the bath at that time?
MR
KHALIL
He told Maxine what the girls had said. Did he say how
she had responded?
STEPHEN LONG
She asked who the girls were but he didn't know who they
were.
MR KHALIL
where had he gone after speaking to Miss Carr in the bathroom?
STEPHEN LONG
He remained at home for the rest of the evening until
about half past ten, time.
MR KHALIL
so far as the missing children are concerned, did he indicate
if he made any connection between the girls, to whom he
had spoken, and the ones he knew to be missing?
STEPHEN LONG
not at that stage; not until later.
MR
KHALIL
when did he indicate he made the connection?
STEPHEN LONG
he stated at half past ten that evening the police attended
at his address. He went with them to assist in the search
of the college grounds and whilst he was in the search,
he learned the girls were in Manchester United shirts
and realised it must be the same two girls. .
MR KHALIL
you of course now knew Miss Carr knew the girls - at least
in some capacity?
STEPHEN LONG
he did explain to me that she was the classroom assistant
for the girls' school.
MR KHALIL
did you decide to take a short statement from him?
STEPHEN LONG
I did, just to clarify that point.
MR
KHALIL
did you know if he had already provided a statement to
the police or not?
STEPHEN LONG
he had informed us he made one earlier that week.
MR KHALIL
so this was to be a further statement?
STEPHEN
LONG
that is correct, yes.
MR KHALIL
I want you to have, please, the manuscript and also a
typed copy, it is in tab 1 of the Jury bundle, page 3.
do you have the manuscript original?
STEPHEN
LONG
I have.
MR KHALIL
is that the statement you took from him on this occasion?
STEPHEN LONG
it is, yes.
MR KHALIL
I just want to ask you about the process, please. was
it something you simply wrote down straight away as he
was talking or was there discussion prior to you making
the statement?
STEPHEN LONG
There was discussion prior to making the statement.
MR KHALIL
what was it that caused you to choose to make this statement?
STEPHEN LONG
the fact that during our conversations it appeared he
had not covered the point in his earlier statement on
how Maxine Carr knew the girls.
MR KHALIL
the declaration at the top of it, about it being "true
to the best of his knowledge and belief", was that
read over to him?
STEPHEN LONG
it was pointed out to him to read.
MR
KHALIL
did he sign just below there?
STEPHEN
LONG
he did, yes.
MR KHALIL
Does it read in this way "further to the statement
I have already made to Cambridgeshire Police concerning
the two missing girls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman
I would like to clarify that I live with Maxine Carr who
is employed as a teacher's assistant at St Andrew's Primary
School in Soham where the two girls attended. In my original
statement I stated that when I saw the girls on the evening
of 4th August 2002, the time was 6 pm or thereabouts.
I ... spoke to Maxine who was in the bath at the time;
the time was 6.10 pm. I spoke to Maxine immediately after
seeing the girls walk by my address ... " and he
notes the time as 6.10 pm to 6.15 pm. Is that how it reads?
STEPHEN LONG
yes, it is.
MR KHALIL
thank you very much. You said you took a statement with
a view to clarifying how Miss Carr knew the girls and
we have also just dealt with a series of times?
STEPHEN LONG
That's correct. When I first commenced the statement to
clarify the point about the girls, he interrupted me and
pointed out to me that he needed to amend his original
statement because he got the time wrong.
MR
KHALIL
did he say before committing to writing how it was he
knew the original timings were wrong?
STEPHEN
LONG
he stated he became aware of the CCTV footage, and he
had obviously been discussing it with Maxine Carr, and
I believe it revolved around what time he had his tea,
that it must have been ten past six when he saw the girls,
not six o'clock.
MR KHALIL
does he indicate who prepared the tea or not?
STEPHEN LONG
Sorry, could you repeat that?
MR KHALIL
did he indicate who had prepared the tea?
STEPHEN
LONG
his tea.
MR KHALIL
yes?
STEPHEN LONG
I believe it was Maxine.
MR KHALIL
so it was you who incorporated time changes in the statement?
STEPHEN LONG
that's correct.
MR KHALIL
was a request made of him to provide a swab?
STEPHEN LONG
there was, yes.
MR KHALIL
just tell us about that, please, what was he asked for?
STEPHEN LONG
he was asked to give two mouth swabs for DNA purposes----
MR KHALIL
did you tell him why?
STEPHEN LONG
Initially I told him that would only be used in the investigation
and in time he consented to give us the samples.
MR KHALIL
what were these swabs to enable?
STEPHEN
LONG
should there be any crime scene at any later stage where
there may or may not be DNA evidence, they would be available
for comparison .
MR KHALIL
you understood that. Was any of that information conveyed
to him?
STEPHEN LONG
it was.
MR KHALIL
what was said to him, please?
STEPHEN
LONG
precisely that basically.
MR KHALIL
What was his attitude to the request for a sample of DNA?
STEPHEN LONG
initially he agreed to give the sample. I then handed
to him a consent form for him to sign. He then read the
consent form and realised the sample would be retained
on a nationwide database and became reluctant to sign
the form.
MR KHALIL
did he end up signing it or not?
STEPHEN
LONG
he did, yes.
MR KHALIL
did you take a swab from him there or not?
STEPHEN
LONG
I did, yes.
MR KHALIL
was there any other conversation about the DNA?
STEPHEN LONG
once I finished obtaining the samples from Mr Huntley
he then went on to ask further questions about DNA itself.
MR KHALIL
What did he ask you, please?
STEPHEN
LONG
he asked me how long the DNA lasts.
MR
KHALIL
did you answer?
STEPHEN LONG
I did. I didn't know the answer to this. I explained to
him that because of television coverage and general media
coverage on DNA that more and more people are aware of
DNA and take steps either not to leave DNA or take steps
to destroy DNA.
MR KHALIL
(inaudible)?
STEPHEN LONG
I think I did give an example where I knew of one example,.
MR KHALIL
sorry, I couldn't hear that.
MR JUSTICE
MOSES
tried to destroy it using bleach.
MR
KHALIL
aside from DNA, did he make any other comments about the
inquiry?
STEPHEN LONG
he said at least 2 or 3 times during the course of the
conversation, that "the last person who saw somebody
is normally the person who had done it".
MR KHALIL
how did that come into the conversation, please?
STEPHEN LONG
it was something he explored in the conversation as we
were talking. I thought not too much of it at the time,
as I was aware there were other sightings of girls after
the time he had given.
MR KHALIL
You were aware that your colleague was taking the statement
from Miss Carr, is that right?
STEPHEN
LONG
that's correct, yes.
MR KHALIL
I think another journalist arrived and you were shortly
to leave thereafter, is that correct?
STEPHEN
LONG
it is correct, yes.
MR KHALIL
can I ask you about- if anything struck you about it,
as you were there, the house?
STEPHEN
LONG
only it was very clean and tidy.
MR
KHALIL
thank you very much, no other questions, just wait there,
please. Cross-examined by
MR COWARD
.
MR COWARD
during your conversation with Mr Huntley, Mr Long, did
you talk about woolly mammoths at all?
STEPHEN
LONG
not that I recall, no.
MR COWARD
did you talk about the Russian Tzars at all?
STEPHEN LONG
certainly not.
MR COWARD
you say Mr Huntley asked you how long DNA lasted?
STEPHEN LONG
I took it to mean that should DNA get left somewhere,
as opposed to any origin of DNA.
MR
COWARD
you took him to mean, how did you explore it?
STEPHEN LONG
I didn't explore it at all.
MR COWARD
you didn't explore it all? one other thing, at the time
you went to Mr Huntley's house, you weren't aware that
he had made an earlier written statement?
STEPHEN
LONG
I was not, no.
MR COWARD
did you try to get in touch with headquarters to discover
what was in that statement before you took a further statement
from him?
STEPHEN LONG
I did not, no.
MR COWARD
were you aware Detective Sergeant Mead had spoken to Mr
Huntley three days before, in which he had expressed a
wish to change the time he saw the girls?
STEPHEN
LONG
No, I was not aware of that.
MR COWARD
were you aware at the time when you arrived at Mr Huntley's
house, that there was a CCTV sighting of the girls?
STEPHEN LONG
I believe I had seen it on the----.
MR
JUSTICE MOSES
seen it on the?
STEPHEN LONG
news.
MR COWARD
had you had any briefing from any senior officers before
you went to Mr Huntley's house?
STEPHEN
LONG
not in a specific action, no.
MR COWARD
had there been any briefing in which a senior officer
said "We have now got the girls on film, they were
seen at the sports centre?"
STEPHEN
LONG
we had a short briefing that day.
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MR COWARD
you were aware then, weren't you, Mr Long, when you went
to see Mr Huntley, of the time that you were told was
the time on the CCTV film?
STEPHEN LONG
I was aware, yes.
MR COWARD
I think it may be common ground the time then given was
6.13?
STEPHEN LONG
that's correct, yes.
MR COWARD
thank you very much.
MR HUBBARD
no questions.
MR KHALIL
thank you very much indeed.
(The witness withdrew)
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