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- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of MICHELLE ANNE TAYLOR
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RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW
Person interviewed: Michelle Anne Taylor
Custody No: 2674
Place of interview: Interview Room, Wandsworth Police Station
Date of interview: 7th August 1991
Interviewing Officer: DS G. GALLAGHER
Time commenced: 11.05am.
Time concluded: 11.35am.
Other person(s) present: DC SUMMERS, Patricia LISTER - Solicitor
DC SUMMERS
This interview is being tape recorded. I am Detective Constable
Adrian SUMMERS and the other officer present is Detective
Constable Gerard GALLAGHER.
DS GALLAGHER
Sorry its Detective Sergeant Gerry GALLAGHER
DC SUMMERS
There are no other Police Officers present, is that correct.
M TAYLOR
Yes
DC SUMMERS
For the purposes of this interview can you please state
your full name.
MT
Michelle Anne TAYLOR
DC SUMMERS
Also present is....
Patricia LISTER
Patricia LISTER from Andrew KEENAN Solicitors.
DC SUMMERS
The date today is the 7th August 1991 and by my watch it
is 5 minutes past 11am. We are in the interview room at
Wandsworth Police Station. At the end of this interview
I will give you a notice that will explain the procedure
for dealing with the tape and how you can have access to
it. I must however notify you, that you do not have to say
anything unless you wish to do so, but what you say may
be given in evidence. Do you understand?
MT
Yes.
DS GALLAGHER
Michelle, the first thing I want to explain to you is why
you're here at this Police Station. It's a very serious
matter, and if you cast your memory back to this morning
when I spoke to you in your front room and what I arrested
you for, and I want you to fully be aware of why you are
at this Police Station. You've been arrested for the murder
of Alison SHAUGHNESSY on 3rd June this year at Alison's
flat at 41 Vardens Road, Battersea. Do you understand what
I've just said to you.
MT
Yes.
DS G
Now two other people have also been arrested this morning,
and to be fair to you I'll tell you a little bit about them.
Your sister, Lisa was also arrested for the same offence
as you, and Jeannette TAPP was also arrested at her address
for conspiracy to murder Alison SHAUGHNESSY, and those two
girls are currently being interviewed at other Police Stations
this morning. Now I want you to take me through some events
that you have already covered in your previous interviews
with the Police.
DS G
You made two written statements, one was on 4th June shortly
after Alison was discovered, and the other one was on 12th
June. I have copies of those statements here and I've also
got copies of notes that were made by some officers after
your third visit to the Police Station on 24th July. Now
all those statements or information was obtained as a result
of your voluntary attendance at the Police Station, and
I want to go through some points in those statements with
you. I'm going to ask you some questions, and I have roughly
in my mind a certain line I'm going to follow, but depending
on what you say to me will depend whether I develop that
particular answer you've just given me or whether I stay
on the questions I have in my mind. So if the interview
appears a little bit disjointed and I hop about from point
to point, please forgive me. Now I understand you've been
seen by a doctor?
MT
Yes.
DS G
This morning when you were arrested, there was a little
bit of a disturbance at your house when your mum got a bit
upset and when I took hold of you, I think your arm got
a little bit bruised in the process. Now I apologise if
I've hurt your arm, I certainly didn't mean to do that,
and I think the doctor has found a little bruise on your
arm, but are you OK now?
MT
Yes.
DS G
The doctor has also said that you told him you only had
three hours sleep last night. Now I'm a little bit anxious
about that and how do you feel at the minute, do you feel
quite content to continue with this interview and the amount
of sleep you've had last night?
MT
Yeah I do.
DS G
You're quite happy with that? You've also refused a breakfast
this morning, is there anything you want? A cup of tea?
Coffee?
MT
No.
DS G
Cold drink? Water? Soft drink?
MT
No.
DS G
Nothing like that? Right. Before I go into detail, can you
give me a little bit of a background about yourself. I've
never met you before, and I've read the statements but they
don't go into too much background about you as a person,
or what you do or where you've been and your family, your
makeup and hobbies and what sort of girl you are. Can you
just give me a little bit of a run down on what you're like?
Where you've been and what you've done?
MT
Starting from?
DS G
Well, your sort of early teenager?
MT
When I was about 14 I joined a jujitsu club, which was in
the Ackroyd Centre in Brockley. Um I then changed from that
club to another club because we were um Chucked out of that
club and then we started going to Croydon and at the Croydon
club we done um, weapon training and also jujitsu training
there.
DS G
Why did you get chucked out of the first club?
MT
Because there was a row between my mum and the Sensai's
wife over an incident that happened on the mat with my younger
sister and their daughter.
DS G
So this incident had nothing to do with you?
MT
No.
DS G
You're quite sure about that?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
This jujitsu that's Martial Arts isn't it, it's not sports
is it? Martial Arts....
MT
Yeah Martial Arts.
DS G
Fairly violent thing for a girl to be doing isn't it?
MT
There is an awful lot of girls that do it.
DS G
Yeah?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
What do you actually do? What does jujitsu sort of specialise
in as opposed to judo or karate which I'm a little bit familiar
with?
MT
It contains judo and karate and the karate side would be
a matter of patterns and the judo side would be when you're
throwing an opponent.
DS G
So the jujitsu is more offensive as opposed to defensive
is it? Would you say that?
MT
It's for defence.
DS G
Yeah? What weapons, or what articles would you use in this
jujitsu
MT
Um, we do mainly did weapon training on a Friday, you'd
use a bokken and tonfa and nonchaku and sais.
DS G
Now you'll have to quickly explain what those are, you've
confused me already.
MT
Um, a bokken is a wooden sword. Tonfa are like um, American
police batons,
DS G
Oh yeah, like a truncheon with a short T-bar in the middle?
Yeah I know what you mean.
MT
Yeah, and nonchaku are like um, two bits of wood which are
joined with either a chain or rope.
DS G
I'm with you, I'm familiar with that,
MT
and saes are like a miniature knife but they're a rounded
sort of angle.
DS G
What were any of the other type of weapons or any other
weapons the wouldn't be associated with jujitsu? Did you
have any other weapons of any kind?
MT
No that was all I had.
DS G
What if you were going to do a display somewhere would you
have been, any weapons that you'd taken from the display?
MT
That would be the only weapons we use in the display apart
from the Sensai's that are black belts and they use proper
swords.
DS G
Did you have a proper sword?
MT
No. I had a bokken.
DS G
Where are these weapons now?
MT
Um, they were back at my mum's house.
DS G
Are those the only weapons that you've got?
MT
Yeah, I haven't got the sais 'cos they didn't belong to
me they belonged to a bloke called Mac who trained at the
same place.
DS G
And what are these weapons made of these sais, what are
they made of?
MT
Saes are metal like
DS G
They're metal?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
Do you have such a weapon?
MT
No I don't have them.
DS G
You're sure?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
Do you have any other weapons that would now be associated
with jujitsu or martial arts parts at your house?
MT
That's all I have.
DS G
You're quite sure about that?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
Did you ever talk about having any other weapons at your
house?
MT
No that's all I've got.
DS G
When did you finish the jujitsu?
MT
About two years ago when I had an operation on my knee.
DS G
And you haven't taken part in any martial arts in the last
two years
MT
Martial arts, no.
DS G
Would you still be familiar with the holds and throws and
the combat?
MT
Um, some of the bits yeah.
DS G
Say for arguments sake, you were attacked in the street,
this evening, God forbid, but would you be able to defend
yourself by what you'd learnt two years ago?
MT
To be honest I don't really know, I'd have to be attacked
to see, I don't know.
DS G
So you're, are you saying you don't know how you would react
or you don't remember what to do?
MT
Yeah, I don't know how I would react if I was attacked in
ths street
DS G
I see.
MT
We was taught that if someone did attack you the best thing
to do is get away as quick as possible and run the other
way.
DS G
And what have you done with yourself since you packed up
jujitsu?
MT
Um, tap dancing and aerobics and weight training.
DS G
And how regular do you do tap dancing, aerobics and weight
training
MT
I did tap dancing on a Monday for I think it was two terms,
which would be about three months, and then I hadn't paid
for anymore
MT
terms so that finished, and the only other thing I had kept
on was weight training because I worked on a Thursday so
I couldn't keep aerobics on.
DS G
When did you do the aerobics?
MT
On a Thursday evening.
DS G
Regularly?
MT
It would have been, yeah, but I had to change my job and
start working in domestics which was Thursday evenings.
DS G
When was this? When did you change jobs?
MT
In April of this year.
DS G
So April this year you packed up aerobics?
MT
I think it probably was Christmas because you have to pay
termly.
DS G
I see, so you packed up a term in advance?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
And what about the weight training? How often would you
do it?
MT
Um, that would be once a week on a Tuesday.
DS G
Do you still do it?
MT
No I don't.
DS G
When did you finish it?
MT
I would imagine it would probably be the same time as aerobics
in December.
DS G
Are you engaged in any sports, hobbies that you've just
mentioned, are you engaged in anything like that at the
minute?
MT
No.
DS G
So you've packed them all up?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
So what do you do with yourself now?
MT
I work in the evenings.
DS G
Where do you work?
MT
At the Churchill Clinic.
DS G
And how long have you been working there?
MT
Four years.
DS G
What's your job there?
MT
It's Domestic Assistant now - I used to work in the Accounts
Department.
DS G
So in your four years at the Clinic, it would be fair to
say you've got to know most of the staff there?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
Do the staff know you?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
What's the accommodation setup at the Clinic?
MT
The accommodation? They own three houses in Lambeth Road
and they own two houses in King Edward Walk.
DS G
And how many staff do those houses cater for and how many
individual rooms would be split amongst those three houses?
MT
Probably five rooms in each house
DS G
So only fifteen rooms altogether. What sort of staff would
stay in those houses?
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