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07/08/91
- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of LISA JANE TAYLOR
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Record of tape interview
Person interviewed: Lisa Jane Taylor
Place of interview: Battersea Police Station Interview Room
Date of interview: 7th August 1991
Time commenced: 10.41am
Time concluded: 11.11am
Intervieing officer: DS Gleeson
Other person(s) present: WDC C Smith, Michael Holmes, Andrew
Keenan & Co, Solicitor
DS GLEESON
This interview is being tape recorded. I am DS GLEESON.
The other police officer present is,
WDC SMITH
Women Detective Constable Coren SMITH.
DS G
What's your full name please?
L TAYLOR
Lisa Jane TAYLOR.
DS G
Sorry, Lisa can you keep your voice up so obviously the
tape can pick up what you say. Can you repeat your name
please?
LT
Lisa Jane TAYLOR.
DS G
Your legal representative is also present can you identify
yourself please?
M HOLMES
Yes. Michael HOLMES, Andrew Keenan & Co.
DS G
Much obliged. There are no other persons present in this
interview Today is Wednesday 7th August 1991 and the time
by my watch is 10.41am. We are in the interview room at
Battersea Police Station At the end of this interview, I
will give a notice that will explain the procedures for
dealing with this tape recording and how you can have access
to it. I shall now caution you Miss TAYLOR that means you
are not obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so,
but what you say may be given in evidence. Do you understand
the caution?
LT
Yes.
DS G
L Now the, before I say any more, I must state on tape that
the interview has been delayed due to the fact that I was
getting refreshments prior to the interview commencing.
Also prior to the interview starting, uh, Mr HOLMES informed
me on your behalf, Miss TAYLOR, that since making a statement
previously to police, you don't wish to answer any questions
during the course of this interview. Is that correct?
LT
Yes.
DS G
L Okay. Before I go any further actually, the officer here,
Miss SMITH, the arresting officer this morning, made some
notes with regard to your arrest at your home address, and
she'd like you to read those notes and to obviously sign
them as being correct if you agree with the content. Can
you do that now whilst the tape is running please?
MH
We'll do it together.
DS G
L Okay.
MH
Um, does it start on this page, number 10?
WDC S
At the top. The top there, that's the notes where I made
them, and the details there.
MH
There, right, right. Can you read that? Let's read it together.
That's the Act of Parliament under which the warrant of
your arrest was granted. That's what that means. Okay?
MH
Finished the page?
LT
Yes.
MH
Not too much more.
LT
Right.
MH
You've finished?
LT
Yeah.
MH
Now what you're being invited to do by Mr GLEESON is having
read that through, if you agree that that is an accurate
record of what took place, to sign it if you wish. It is
entirely a matter for you. First of all, is it accurate?
LT
No.
MH
You're shaking your head no.
LT
No.
MH
Well in that case uh, I think it's fairly indicative tht
she's not going to sign.
DS G
L Indeed? Fair enough. But obviously you've had the offer
of reading them haven't you?
MH
Yes.
LT
Yeah.
DS G
L If I may just quickly summarise the events of this morning
Lisa. As you're aware, I, my colleague and other officers
attended your home address which is 76 Kemble Road,
LT
Yes.
DS G
L It's in Forest Hill. Um, I spoke to your mum and dad as
a resu
LT
of speaking to your mum and dad, you and your sister Michelle
DS G
L were both arrested for the murder of Alison SHAUGHNESSY,
yes?
LT
No comment.
DS G
L Um, you were subsequently removed and brought here to
Battersea Police Station. When I returned to the police
station, I'd actually searched your room in the presence
of your mother, I showed you various items of property in
the Custody Office, which basically were a quantity of trainers
and shoes and some bank correspondence which you Identified
as being yours. Do you agree with that?
LT
Yes.
DS G
L Right. In fact, it's fair to say that some of the shoes
are in fact, I believe there was one single trainer that
I believe is worn by Tracey or/and Michelle, Yeah?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
L Okay. Are you prepared to discuss your family composition
with me
LT
No comment.
DS G
L What about your current employment?
LT
No comment.
DS G
L Is it fair to say that you are presently working with
your dad, you dad's a contract cleaner and that you work
normally, start work about half five each morning?
LT
No comment.
DS G
L Do you agree with the fact that um, at one stage I believe,
either late last year or early this year you were working
for a short period of time at the Churchill Clinic?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Where your sister Michelle is currently employed as a domestic
cleaner?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You recall a week or so ago you were in this police station
and you were interviewed, or it may well have been Earlsfield
police station, where you were interviewed by colleagues
of mine as a witness with regard to Allson SHAUGHNESSEY's
death, do you recall that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
As a resu
LT
of that you acknowledged the fact that you made a statement
to police previously when you were interviewed as a witness.
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were interviewed at a police station on, just let me
find the date, sorry on 24th July which is about 2 weeks
ago?
LT
No comment.
DS G
And as a resu
LT
of that you made a fairly lengthy statement, in fact two
statements to police, which I've got copies before me.
LT
No comment.
DS G
During the course of making those statements, you gave a
history to police of your family composition, that you,
Mum and your younger sister Tracey, whose 12, and your sister
and the brother who lives elsewhere. Is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You went basically through your schooling years, and spoke
about from being, from 12 years on you joined a martial
arts club. I
DS G
believe it's um, jujitsu, and in fact I believe you trained
for some four years and became attained the sort of rank
of a blue be
LT
, is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
When questioned about your previous employment you spoke
about working in the Accounts Department at Churchill Clinic,
this would have been some time ago actually, about a year
and a half maybe ago as a Sales Ledger Clerk. Do you recall
that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
And your sister Michelle was also working there at the time
as a Brought Ledger Clerk.
LT
No comment.
DS G
Subsequently, as a resu
LT
of problems at home, as a resu
LT
of problems at home, Michelle, who at that time was living
at home, moved into the residency at the hospital, the clinic
I should say. Do you recall saying that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You left the employment of the Churchill Clinic stating
that you'd had a personality clash with your supervisor,
a lady called Anne Mary OWENS.
LT
No comment.
DS G
Moving on through your statement, you were asked about um
John SHAUGHNESSY and uh, Alison SHAUGHNESSY, his wife, who's
the deceased the lady you killed, and Michelle TAPP who
is a friend of yours and also a friend of your sister's.
Can you recall speaking about John SHAUGHNESSY?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Do you know John SHAUGHNESSY? MT No comment.
DS G
Do you know a girl called Jeanette TAPP?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Well Jeanette TAPP knows you very well. I've had a previous
long conversation with Miss TAPP, and she tells me, told
me quite a bit about you that she became friends with your
sister Michelle, through working at the clinic and subsequently
as a resu
LT
of being friends with Michelle, you came on the scene and
uh, she became quite friendly to you a
LT
hough she's mainly your sister's friend. Is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were asked about Alison SHAUGHNESSY, and you stated
that you first met Alison on a day trip to France, which
apparently had been organised by the Churchill Clinic. You
said in your statement, "I would describe Alison as
a very pleasant person, who appeared to be very loving towards
John." Is that a fair comment?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were asked about Michelle's association or friendship
with John and you were asked about the affair between your
sister and John.
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were aware of the fact that they were sleeping together
were you
LT
No comment.
DS G
You also spoke of your sister, Michelle, and Alison being
quite good friends, and that they went shopping and went
out together more or less as a threesome, meaning John SHAUGHNESSY,
Alison SHAUGHNESSY
DS G
and your sister Michelle. Do you recall saying that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were also asked by the officers what Michelle's feelings
were when in fact, she learned of John SHAUGHNESSY's engagement
to um, Alison, who was then Alison BLACKMORE, prior to getting
married, and you said that Michelle was quite upset and
it took her quite some time to get over it.
LT
No comment.
DS G
But as long as John was happy, she was happy as well. You
were aske about the engagement party, or either birthday
or engagement party which apparently was for John SHAUGHNESSY
and which your sister, I believe certainly organised and
partly paid for, and you stated in your statement that you
actually helped her with regard to the party Is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
That your sister helped them to move when they moved into
Vardens Road and basically was very helpful towards them
when they got married, attended their wedding in Ireland,
etc., etc., Do you recall that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Can you recall John and Alison ever coming to your mother's
house fo Sunday lunch?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were asked about your friendship with Miss TAPP who
you call JJ and basically you said it was one of friendship
and that you got to
DS G
know her through your sister and you became quite good friends.
Is that a fair comment?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Going back to when you were working at the Churchill clinic
when you had a falling out with uh, Anne Marie OWENS, your
supervisor. Is that correct that you went to or sought advice
from Michelle with regard as to what you should do because
you were going to be dismissed from your job?
LT
No comment.
DS G
How would you describe your relationship with your sister,
Michelle
LT
No comment.
DS G
Do you look up to her?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You're 18 now is that right?
LT
Yes.
DS G
And Michelle is 21?
LT
No comment.
DS G
So Michelle being your older sister - do you look up to
her?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Do you like your sister?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were then asked about the events of 3rd June of this
year, which is the day Alison SHAUGHNESSY was murdered,
uh Alison SHAUGHNESSY was murdered, and you gave quite a
detailed account in your statement to the officers as to
what your movements were on that day with you sister Michelle.
Can you recall that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You stated that you were both working for dad in the morning
over at the Arndale Centre at Wandsworth about 6 o'clock,
and then went for breakfast after 7 to MacDonalds, which
seemed to be a fairly regular routine according to your
father's statement and from there you did some work in Woolworths,
is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
And from there you went over to Sanderstead Fire Station
where you did some cleaning with stripping the floors, polish
and repolishing which your dad confirms. Is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Moving on that day on the 3rd June, you stated after finished
your work that um, you subsequently drove home from the
fire station in Michelle's car, and you got home about round
2 o'clockish. 'Do you recall that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Had you been invited to a party that was coming up a couple
of week, after the day of the incident, JJ's birthday party?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Having returned home, mum and dad were there and you wanted
to go shopping to Bromley 'cos you wanted to buy a dress,
party dress I believe, for JJ's, meaning Miss TAPP's birthday.
Is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You said that you had something to eat, Michelle ironed
some clothes
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