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- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of LISA JANE TAYLOR
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Record of tape interview
Person interviewed: Lisa Jane Taylor
Place of interveiw: Battersea Police Station Interview Room
Date of interview: 7th August 1991
Time commenced: 3.55pm
Time concluded: 4.25pm
Interviewing Officer: DS S Gleeson
Other person(s) present: WDC C Smith, M Homles, Andrew Keenan
& Co (Solicitor)
DS GLEESON
This interview ia being tape recorded. I am Detective Sergeant
GLEESON, the other Police Officer present is Woman Detective
Constable Coren SMITH. What's your full name please?
L TAYLOR
Lisa Jane TAYLOR
DS G
Thank you, and your legal representative is also present.
M HOLMES
Michael HOLMES, Andrew Keenan & Co.
DS G
Thank you. There are no other persons present in this interview..........
Today is Wednesday 7th August 1991 and the time by my watch
is 3.55pm. We are in the interview room at Battersea Police
station. At the end of this interview I'll give you a notice
that will explain the procedure for dealing with this tape
recording and how you can have access to it.
DS GLEESON
I must now caution you Miss TAYLOR, that means you are not
obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so, but what
you say may be given in evidence. Do you understand that?
L TAYLOR
Yes.
DS G
Right. Basically Miss TAYLOR, this is a continuation of
the interview we had this morning. Do you understand.
LT
Yes.
DS G
Right. I should state that the interview has been delayed
in starting due to the fact that you needed to go to the
toilet. Is that correct?
LT
Yes.
DS G
Okay. As you are aware, we spoke, I spoke at length this
morning regarding your family, your sister Michelle, you
yourself, and in particular with regard to a statement that
you made to police some
DS G
two weeks ago, excuse me, on the 24th July, which, regarding
the death and the circumstances surrounding the death of
Alison SHAUGHNESSY, that's what I spoke about this morning.
Would you agree in principle?
LT
No comment.
DS G
I can't see why you're smiling 'cos we're
LT
I'm not smiling.
DS G
sitting here investigating a murder and I can't find anything
particularly funny. Anyway, I mentioned that on tape just
to basically summarise what we spoke about this morning.
I'll go back to your statement of the 24th July, and um,
obviously it's your right again to if you don't wish to
answer any questions but I shall obviously ask you questions.
I'm actually reading from page 4 of your typed statement
with regard to the area that covers finishing work at Stanstead
Fire Station and subsequently going home with your sister
Michelle in her car; you have something to eat she gets
changed and you subsequently go shopping to Bromley. Incidentally,
if it's any consolation to you, your sister, who was interviewed
this morning basically agrees in principle to the contents
of the statement I am reading from. Do you understand?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
You say you wanted to go shopping for a new dress as JJ
was having a, JJ meaning JJ TAPP, was having a birthday
party. Now Miss TAPP'
DS G
confirmed obviously the fact that she's having the party,
she was having a party, and that, obviously you were invited,
as was your sister. So can you confirm that you actually
went to Bromley to buy a dress or to look for a dress?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You state that the journey from the Fire Station home took
you about 40 minutes, which would have been about 2 o'clock
to ten past two according to your statement, and that um,
about 3 o'clock you left with Mlchelle to go to Bromley
in Michelle's car. Now, from what I gather from your original
interview at the Police Station and your sister's interview
this morning and your sister's previous interview you were
obviously quite keen to buy a dress for that party on that
day, is that correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
And that again, according to your statement, you took some
considerable time in Bromley visiting some, as you state,
seven or eight shops looking at various dresses. Is that
correct?
LT
No comment.
DS G
However you can't recall which shops you visited besides
the Body Shop in Bromley?
LT
No comment.
DS G
But strangely enough you remember meeting a man down there,
this Rasta man you spoke of called uh Phillip. Do you want
to tell me a little bit about Phillip?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because see, if you're telling the truth and you were in
Bromley obviously Peter can go a long way to alibi you can't
he? Peter could say, "Yes, I spoke to, I know Lisa
and I spoke to Lisa or saluted Lisa in the street in the
afternoon. I remember Lisa she was with her sister."
He can't be detrimental to you, he can only be helful, so
would you like to tell me a little bit about more a bit
more about Peter?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because we could obviously make enquiries with regard to
Peter and obviously see if he supports your story. So do
you know Peter's surname?
LT
No comment.
DS G
I beg your pardon, I say Peter, I take that back it's Philllp.
Do you know Philllp's surname?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Can you tell me where Phillip lives?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Can you tell me how I can get hold of Phillip?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Is there any way we can possibly phone Phillip through a
friend or anything to confirm your story?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You see you said this morning at the outset or your solicitor
said to me this morning at the outset of the interview that
you didn't
DS G
wish to say anything in reply to my questions which again,
I repeat is obviously your perogative, as you've been cautioned,
but the basis that was founded on was the fact that you
had told police every thing you possibly could on the day
you made the statement I am making reference to and that
you couldn't add in any way to that statement with regard
to the enquiry. Now that being the case, I would like to
pursue the part of Phillip a little bit more because obviously
Phillip, as I've just said, could be of great help to you
if Phillip exists or if you actually saw Phillip on the
day. So I'm asking you to assist me more now with regard
to tracing Phillip, so he can obviously confirm your story.
Are you going to help me a bit more to trace Phillip?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because with Phillip, you could look at it in one or two
ways - Phillip obviously is a uh fictitious, just made up
for the purpose: of covering your back to show that you
were in Bromley at a particular time, or you may well know
somebody named Phillip, but you may even have seen him in
Bromley on that day, but not at the time you're stating.
So is Phillip fictitious or does he exist?
LT
No comment.
DS G
And again repeating what I said this morning, it's rather
ironic you say that um, he's driving in his red car, 'he
shouted at us but I can't remember what was said,' this
is from your statement, 'except he asked us what we were
doing in Bromley. This was about 4.20 because I looked at
my watch.' You can't rembember what he said, you can't remember
an awful lot about Phillip, but strangely
DS G
enough, you can remember the time. You saw Phllllp and thought
I'd better look at my watch just to confirm I've seen Phlllip
at twenty past four. It's not the sort of thing a normal
person does is it? You see people in the street, you say
hello and salute their you don't go round looking at your
watch every two minutes to say well I saw so and so at twenty
past four, I'll make a note of that, or I'll remember that.
Now bearing in mind that your statement was taken on 24th
July and we are talking her about an incident that occurred
on 3rd June, which in fact, is six to seven weeks after
the incident, say six weeks. And yet six weeks later, Lisa,
you can remember what time you saw a man called Phillip
in Bromley? You can't remember what was said, you can't
remember the shops you visited for this dress, where you
were apparently quite keen to go to this party, but you
can remember what time you spoke to Phillip. Don't you find
that rather strange?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You're saying it because it's a blatant lie, you're putting
yourself in a place i.e. Bromley at 4.20 in the afternoon,
because you know as well as I do that you were elsewhere
at that time weren't you?
LT
No comment.
DS G
When you said you left Bromley after walking back to your
car at 4.20, 'we got back to the Churchill Clinic at 5.20.'
That's a lie isn't it?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You didn't get back to the Churchill Clinic at 5.20 did
you?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because strangely enough, at the Churchill Clinic, a member
of staff saw you and Michelle leaving in Michelle's car,
outside the Churchill Clinic, at 10 past 4. You and Michelle
say you're in Bromley at 20 past 4. Bromley must be a good
half an hour, forty five minutes from the Churchill Clinic.
Just bear with me and I'll find the lady's statement. This
is the statement of Carol Anne HEALEY, who is a staff nurse
at the Churchill Clinic. Her statemer is dated 19th June.
She speaks of knowing John SHAUGHNESSY and she speaks of
knowing Michelle TAYLOR. She doesn't particularly know you.
'Monday 3rd June 1991, I began work at 8.30 and finished
at 4.00pm to ten past four. When I concluded work that day
I left the hospital as I walked out of the front gate, a
white or cream Estate car came up alongside of me not away
from me alongside me, and then turned right onto Lambeth
Road towards the river,' which ironically would bring you
towards Nine Elms along that area as opposed to Bromley.
'This vehicle was being driven by Michelle and there was
a female passenger in the front seat.' She said the passenger
looked small, slight build, which you're 5'1" is that
right?
LT
Yes.
DS G
You're slight build, what's your weight, six, seven stone?
LT
No comment.
DS G
'And her hair was in a pony tail.' Your hair is in a pony
tail in this interview today. Your hair's been in a pony
tail uh for as long as you've been in and out of this enquiry
hasn't it?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Have you got a pony tail in this interview room or not?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Your hair is tied back in a bun, looking at your from here,
tight on your head and is in a bun. My colleague can confirm
that. C SMITH Yeah that's correct.
DS G
And she speaks to people about Michelle in the car, and
having spoken to people, and the description she has given
of the passenger she says, "I was informed that that
was Michelle's sister." It's hardly Tracey your other
sister, she's 12 years old. Now you and your sister Michelle
say you were down in Bromley at twenty past four. We've
got a nurse at the clinic who is going off duty, who knows
your sister, because as we know it's a small clinic, everybody
knows everybody in that clinic, it's a private clinic, and
she sees nothing wrong in the fact that she sees your sister
driving past in a car with a passenger of your description
in the passenger seat, at 10 past 4. Now don't you think
that's rather strange, 10 past 4? Your supposed to be in
Bromley.
LT
No comment.
DS G
So who's telling lies here Lisa?
LT
No comment.
DS G
See the trouble is that day you didn't appreciate the fact
that somebody would remember you and your sister driving
past the hospital at 10 past 4. Isn't that right?
LT
No comment.
DS G
If you were in Bromley that day, you were in Bromley a lot
earlier than 10 past 4, you were in Bromley early afternoon,
if you were
DS G
there at all. Tell me what it's like driving through Bromley,
explain the street system to me in Bromley.
LT
No comment.
DS G
Has it got a one-way system?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Is there road works on the day? Where did you park?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You stated that uh, in your statement you parked down a
side road. Your sister disagrees with you. In fact there's
lots of discrepancies between you and your sister's statements.
You and your sister have spoken about times and places prior
to being seen by police haven't you?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You've discussed times, isn't that right?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You and your sister are vague with regard to shops visited
and so forth, but yet you're spot on both of you when it
comes to times. Strangely enough you've both got the same
times of where you were and who you saw. Isn't that right?
LT
No comment.
DS G
But she cocked it up. She said, "Lisa introduced me
to a guy in the street. I shook his hand. His name was Philllp,
he was a friend of Lisa's." You've got the same guy
driving passed in a car saying, "What are you doing
in Bromley?" Was the guy in a car or was he walking
on the pavement?
LT
No comment.
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