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07/08/91
- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of LISA JANE TAYLOR
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So you can't have been at Bromley at 20 past 4 can you?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You weren't in Bromley at 20 past 4. You were driving past
the Churchill Clinic at 10 past 4, isn't that right?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Every question I've asked you Lisa, since this interview
started, and I'm looking straight at you, you continually
look down on the floor. You haven't looked at me once and
you haven't answered one single question. It's your perogative
what you do in this interview, the only thing I can notice
from you during the course of this interview is your body
movement. When I get to questions that are quite relevant
to times to this enquiry. Is Carol HEALEY the nurse, mistaken?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Do you know Carol HEALEY?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Carol HEALEY has got no reason whatsoever to lie. As far
as she's concerned, it's insignificant. "I saw somebody
when I was going off duty at the hospital. I finished my
shift. I saw a car containing Michelle TAYLOR and someone
whom I later had identified to me as her sister." What
reason has, Carol HEALEY to lie?
LT
No comment.
DS G
She's not lying is she?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Which brings us to uh, your statement where you say that
um, "We
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arrived back at the clinic at 5.20," and you go and
see JJ in her room, and your sister Michelle goes to her
room and she comes back to JJ's room. 5.20, that's wrong
isn't it?
LT
No comment.
DS G
It's not wrong, it's a lie.
LT
No comment.
DS G
It's a deliberate lie between, made up between you, your
sister and Jeanette TAPP. Isn't it?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because you didn't get back to the clinic at that time.
You got back to the clinic, just bear with me, I'll just
find another statement, sorry just bear with me for a moment......right,
you say you got back to the clinic at 20 past 5. You went
with uh, to JJ's room, you had a chat, you were there till
6, your sister Michelle goes off to do the flower arranging
with John SHAUGHNESSY. Is that right?
LT
No comment.
DS G
It's a lie isn't it Lisa?
LT
No comment.
DS G
A blatant lie. I'll read from Valerie MacDONALD's statement,
who is in fact the Reservations Assistant at the Clinic.
Her statement is dated 14th June, 11 days after the death
of Alison SHAUGHNESSY. I'll read a passage from her statement,
'On Monday the 3rd June 1991, I began work at 1300 which
is 1pm. I can recall that at about 6 o'clock I saw Michelle
and her sister, Lisa, driving in
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to the Clinic forecourt, and parking in Michelle's car which
is a white Estate. I waved at Michelle and she waved back.
I didn't see either her or John again that evening. I recall
the time as being 6pm as that is when I am due to go home."
So she's going off duty. Again, another person who knows
you this time and also Michelle, no axe to grind, sees no
great significance in the fact that she sees a car driving
into the car park which is a very small car park as you
know, at the Churchill, waves at the driver, the driver
wave: back. So Valeria MacDONALD is a liar as well is she?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Do you know Valerie MacDONALD?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Can you tell me why Valerie MacDONALD would have any reason
to lie?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because working on that basis then, either people are lying
or incorrect, or Carol HEALEY who sees you and Michelle
leaving in a car at 20 past 4, and you've got Valerie MacDONALD
who sees you coming back at 6. By which time Alison SHAUGHNESSY
is dead. By which time, you and your sister have gone to
Vardens Road and you have murdered Alison SHAUGHNESSY. So
how can you be in Bromley at 20 past 4, when you're leaving
the Clinic at 10 past 4 and seen coming back in, in the
same car as you've left and with your sister at 6 o'clock?
Umm?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You say you're back at the Clinic at quarter past 5, we've
got
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witnesses who know you, they saw you leaving, at 10 past
4 and arrive back at 6. You see you'll have to dispute what
they say because if they say, if what they say in their
statements is correct you're lying. Oh, I know you're lying,
but you are lying. People who make very simple statements,
'I saw somebody leave, I saw somebody come back, gave them
a wave, and they waved back.' Of no real consequence until
you start marrying up the times, and statements, like false
statements that you have previously made. The statement
I've read from. You can't have been in Bromley at 20 past
4, because you'd already left the Clinic to be elsewhere.
Isn't that right?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You and your sister drove to Vardens Road, you waited in
Vardens Road for Alison SHAUGHNESSY to come home, you watched
her open the front door, you followed her in because she
knew you both, she certainly knew Michelle, and you killed
her inside. Stabbed her to death, that's the real story
Lisa, Isn't it?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You go back to the Clinic and you tell me that at 20 past
5, you're in Miss TAPP's room, and she's your alibi. There's
Michelle's great friend, JJ, and your good friend JJ whose
alibing you both. Ironically, for the amount of people that
work in that Clinic being a small premises, nobody else
sees you. It's only JJ. You can't say the receptionist saw
you, you can't say Sister so and so, the cleaner, or anyone.
It's only JJ, don't you think that's rather ironic?
LT
No comment.
DS G
JJ was interviewed this morning and admitted to the Officers
interviewing her, that she has lied. That she is covering
for you and Michelle. That she lied and she did not get
back to her room till 7 o'clock in the evening, to quarter
past 7, and you and your sister were already there, and
you said to JJ, "We have been here since quarter past
5 this evening. Where have you been?" Little did she
know you'd already been to Vardens Road, you'd murdered
Allson SHAUGHNESSY, and you'd come back to obtain your alibi.
So you haven't ot an alibi anymore Lisa. Jennifer TAPP has
retracted what she made in a statement. She has said she's
lied and you and your sister have fed her the 5.15 story
so that you could alibi her. She's lied. I'm on tape here,
it can be verified. Jeanette TAPP has admitted lying on
your behalf and Mlchelle's. So how the hell can you turn
round in your statement and say to me you were back at the
Clinic in JJ's room at a quarter past 5 when we now know
that's false? When you've got Carol HEALEY watching you
leaving the Clinic at 10 past 4, you've got Sister MacDONALD,
Valerie MacDONALD seeing you drive back into the car park
six or shortly after and Alison SHAUGHNESSY is dead. What
are you going to do for an alibi now Lisa?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Who else do you think is prepared to tell lies on your behalf?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because I think it's got to the stage in this enquiry, that
people are fed up lying on your behalf and your sister's
behalf. Your
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alibi for that afternoon is gone out the window. You're
sitting there thinking to yourself, 'He's tried to kid me.
Jeanette would never say that.' But Jeanette TAPP has, and
I repeat, told my colleagues during the course of an interview,
that she lied because she wouldn't believe the fact that
you or your sister could do such a thing. Not lying knowing
that you committed a murder, she lied because she's always
held you both in high esteem, your good friends, she couldn't
believe that such a thing, that you were capable of such
a thing. That's why she lied, she lied for in a way, the
right reasons. But she has said, "I was," ...........
it's not just Jeanette TAPP. Jeanette TAPP, you will know
whether I'm sitting here telling the truth or not. Jeanette
TAPP visited her mother that afternoon. Her sisters were
there with their children. She played with the children,
she left her mother's at 7 o'clock, I'm not 100% sure where
her mother lives, but you do, and she walked back and she
got back about between sort of 5 past and quarter past 7
to the Clinic. Her mother has been seen and her sisters
to verify the fact that Jeanette TAPP was in their house
at around 7 o'clock having been there from the afternoon
about 3 or 4 o'clock, and left their house at 7, so how
the hell can she be in her room at quarter past 5 when she's
sitting down playing with her sister's children and talking
to her mother? Will you tell me that?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You were standing on her balcony when she came back. You
waved to her. The tape is just about to run out, I'll stop
the interview for
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the present. It's uh, 4.25 by my watch. This interview is
completed for the present.
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