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07/08/91
- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of LISA JANE TAYLOR
Record of tape interview
Person interviewed: Lisa Jane Taylor
Place of interveiw: Battersea Police Station Interview Room
Date of interview: 7th August 1991
Time commenced: 4.27pm
Time concluded: 4.47pm
Interviewing Officer: DS S Gleeson
Other person(s) present: WDC C Smith, M Homles, Andrew Keenan
& Co (Solicitor)
DS GLEESON
Can you state for the purposes of the interview Miss TAYLOR,
that nothing has been discussed during the course of the
tapes being switched over.
L TAYLOR
Yes.
DS G
Yes meaning that nothing has been discussed?
LT
Yeah.
WDC SMITH
Can you just verify the time again.
DS G
Sorry, 4.27.
DS G
As I said to you a moment ago, as I said to you a moment
ago, your sitting there thinking to yourself, 'JJ's my friend,
JJ's Michelle friend, JJ wouldn't, wouldn't say these things
to police.' But do know from what I've said to you, that
I'm telling the truth? Because you know from your chat to
JJ when she got back that evening that she was at her mother's.
That you were already in the room, your sister's got a key
to her room. When we searched your house this morning, there's
some keys we took away, which your mother said pointing
to a particular key, and said I believe that's a copy of
sorry, not a copy, that's the key, a spare key to JJ's room.
DS G
You know you were on the balcony, you know you waved to
JJ when you saw her coming, I can't be making this up, I
can only be telling you from what you already know in your
head. But you sit there and front me out as much is 'Well,
everybody's lying.' Your friends are lying now.
The hospital staff? JJ? Does it mean anything to you, the
fact that we're discussing a young girl whose been murdered?
There's no emotion in you, there's nothing to you at the
moment. We may as well be talking about a trivial offence
sitting here. You and your sister drove to Vardens Road
and you killed Alison, you and your sister killed Alison.
I don't know who stabbed her of the two, but I know you
were there, and I know your sister was there, because these
people put you there don't they? You're not in Bromley,
you're not at the Clinic, you come back. Ironically the
following day, the 4th June, you go back to the Clinic with
your sister to pick up your alleged overnight bag. Your
sister confirms that, you say so in your statement. Do you
remember going back to pick up your overnight bag on the
4th ?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Which was in JJ's room?
LT
No comment.
DS G
And you said to JJ words to the effect out of the blue,
'It was 5.15 yesterday we were here, wasn't it?' But JJ
doesn't make any significance, it means nothing to JJ when
someone says that. It makes a lot of sense to us sitting
here, but JJ just didn't register Why should someone say,
"It was 15?" You've already spoken about
DS G
So when Michelle, when JJ gets spoken to by police? 'Oh
yes, they were there at quarter past five thinking I remember
it was quarter past five because they said they were there
at quarter past five.' She didn't know you'd been elsewhere.'But
you were here with us JJ weren't you?' We both know where
you were at a quarter past five don't we?
The question I asked you about this morning about your friend?
Tessa JORDAN in your statement. 'I rang Tessa JORDAN at
five thirty.' What an alibi you've got. You've got JJ at
quarter past five and you've got Tessa JORDAN at half past
five. How could you be elsewhere? You're at the Clinic,
you have to be at the Clinic. JJ confirms quarter past five,
Tessa will confirm half past five.
Isn't it strange that JJ says, "Lisa went to phone
her friend. I didn't go with her, but she told me she was
going to phone Tessa." "What time was that JJ?"
"Half past 7." Not half past 5, half past 7. Back
to times again aren't we? She's been to see your friend.
Your alibi Lisa has gone out the window. You've got nobody.
You've got you and your sister saying you were in Bromley
with some guy you gave a wave to or a hello to in the street.
Carol HEALEY 10 past 4 leaving. Valerie MacDONALD 6 o'clock
or thereabouts back. JJ - 7 to 7.15 arrives back. Not 5.15.
You're saying, "I made my call to my friend at half
past 5. JJ will say, "I don't know who she phoned,
but she said she was going to phone her friend Tessa JORDAN,
but it was half past 7." Not half past 5. So we've
lost it haven't we, it's gone. There is no safe haven any
more. It's gone completely. You're out in the open. Is there
much point in me continuing at the moment Lisa?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Are you prepared to answer any questions if I give you time
to consu
LT
with your solicitor?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Have you ever been to Vardens Road?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Have you ever been to John or Allson SHAUGHNESSY's flat
in Vardens Road?
LT
No comment.
DS G
It's not a trick question is it?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Have you ever been to dinner for a meal, invited back for
a drink?
LT
No comment.
DS G
When you went to the Clinic on 3rd June, you stated that
you were actually going to stay the night. Why did you leave
your overnight bag in JJ's room as opposed to your sister's
room?
LT
No comment.
DS G
We know the bag was looked into. The black polythene bag
I believe a black plastic bag. It had your night dress and
bits and pieces on the top. Did it have your nightdress
and bits and pieces on the top?
LT
No comment.
DS G
But there was obviously a lot more to the bag, because the
bag was heavier than just a night dress and bits and pieces.
But JJ doesn't know what else was in the bag. What was in
the bag Lisa?
LT
No comment.
DS G
And why go back for that particular bag on the day after?
Why go back to JJ's room on the 4th for that bag. What's
so significant about that bag?
LT
No comment.
DS G
What was in that bag besides your night dress? Blood stained
clothing? Um? Weapon? Knife? Was the knife in the bag Lisa?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Because if the wheel came off on the night of the 3rd and
your sister or anyone else was arrested, they'd search her
room at the hotel, at the Clinic. Of course, where's your
bag? It's in JJ's room. Because nobody suspects JJ of being
involved in anything, so you're safe. What was in the bag
Lisa?
LT
No comment.
DS G
We know there's more than your nightdress and your bits
and pieces. Was it your change of clothing? Or was it Michelle's
change of clothing? Did you both change after killing Allson?
Did you?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You're in floods of tears on the 3rd when you're speaking
to your sister, and come the day after, all you're concerned
about is getting your nightie. Let's get rid of it before
anybody finds it. Whose idea was it to kill Alison? How
often did you discuss it? Who stabbed her Lisa? Did you
both stab her? Or was it just your sister or was it you?
LT
No comment.
DS G
What happened to the knife? What did you do with the knife?
Umm?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You've sat down, you've thought about what's going to happen.
Your sister's discussed killing Alison with you. You give
yourselves an alibi, you think you give yourselves an alibi,
that's gone. You go to Vardens Road. You wait for a 21 year
old girl whose never done anybody any harm, to get home.
You walk in behind her, what did you say to Alison? 'We've
come for John's pots?' Is that what Michelle said? 'We've
come to collect John's pots?'
Because she let you in for the pots wouldn't she? 'Because
she knew John was doing the flowers that night, her husband.
And she knew Michelle helped to do the flowers. That's the
sort of cunning that would get you into the flat of Alison's
and your sister.. 'We've come for the pots.' Isn't it? She's
picked her mail up in the hallway, got her bag on her shoulder,
black bag, she's got a denim jacket over her arm. You follow
her up the stairs.
She puts her mail down. And bang she's attacked. She had
bruising under her nose, which could be from the fact of
somebody coming behind her, putting their hand over her
head, under her nose and pulling her back and stabbing her.
You and your sister you've done jujitsu for 4 or 5 years.
You know the defensive moves. You've worked with weapons
had weapons training.
This has all been verified through your previous judo or
jujitsu or whatever it's called, instructiors. We haven't
just thought of these things today, there's been a lot of
research done on this. And you stabbed her and stabbed her
and stabbed her. She was left to die, her bag still there
and the
DS G
jacket still wrapped around her. And you go back to the
Clinic as though nothing had ever happened. 'Who is going
to alibi us? JJ. JJ is our friend. She's fool enough to
say yeah, we were there at 5.15.' JJ is a nice girl, but
you know as well as I do, she's not the brightest of people.
JJ is gone now Lisa, she's gone. You haven't got Lisa, er
JJ any more. By the time somebody has spoken to your friend
um,
WDC S
Tessa
DS G
Tessa, she'll be gone. You just have you saying where Michelle
was and Michelle will be saying where you were. Not much
of an alibi is it?
DS G
I've spoken to my Superintendent since I last spoke to you,
interviewed you, and on his authority I am requesting from
you a sample of blood and a sample of head hair. Mr HOLMES
will no doubt explain the relevance of that to you once
we've finished the interview.
But the reasons the samples have been asked for because
it may or may not prove or disprove your involvement in
Alison SHAUGHNESSY's murder. I can't forcibly take them
from you, it's something that you yourself have to give
consent to. And a doctor will take the relevant samples.
Do you understand? I don't wish a reply from you at this
stage.
MH
We can discuss that one yes.
DS G
You understood the question?
LT
Yes.
DS G
You've understood why I've asked for the samples? Fine.
DS G
I think that's quite a fairly relevant point to maybe stop
Mr HOLMES.
MH
Yes.
DS G
Coren have you got anything to add?
WDC S
No not at this stage.
DS G
Any representations Mr HOLMES?
MH
No.
DS G
Anything you wish to say Lisa before I conclude the interview
at this time?
LT
No.
DS G
I gave you forms this morning Mr HOLMES, I'll give you that.
MH
Right, I'll'put this on there.
DS G
Right. The time is 4.47. This interview is concluded. |
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