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- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of LISA JANE TAYLOR
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Record
of tape interview
Person interviewed: Lisa Jane Taylor
Place of interveiw: Battersea Police Station Interview Room
Date of interview: 8th August 1991
Time commenced: 11.14am
Time concluded: 11.42am
Interviewing Officer: DS S Gleeson
Other person(s) present: WDC C Smith, M Holmes, Andrew Keenan
& Co (Solicitor)
DS GLEESON This is a continuation of the interview of uh,
sorry, Lisa TAYLOR. The last interview or the tape was switched
off at 11.06, can you just confirm that at the end of that
uh, interview Lisa, you requested to be allowed time to
speak to Mr HOLMES, your solicitor
L TAYLOR
Yeah.
DS G
Yeah. And that we sealed the tapes, Miss SMITH and I sealed
the tapes and then left the room, yes?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Okay. Uh, Mr HOLMES, you called me back at 11.12?
M HOLMES
Er, yes, yes, yes.
DS G
Right the time now is 11.14, same parties are still present
in this interview room. Obviously because I've been away
for a few minutes Miss TAYLOR, I must obviously remind you
you are still under caution Do you accept that?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Okay. Prior to the interview concluding, I was discussing
Jeanettte TAPP with you, basically why Jeanette should have
an axe to grind
DS G
against you or Michelle or vice versa, etc,. Um, I said
to you as you recall, that there was a difference between
your statement, Mlchelle's statement and Jeanette TAPP's
statement. And I used the term that either it's someone
is mistaken or there's been an error somewhere or somebody
is lying, yeah, you accept that's what we spoke about a
moment ago?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
I invited you to give me a reason as to why you think Jeanette
is mistaken as opposed to JJ lying, and you basically stated
that you're friends, and as far as you know, you're still
friends. Is that uh, a fair assessment?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
I said to you um, yesterday, that uh, originally when Jeanette
TAPP was seen by police soon after the murder enquiry started,
that she obviously made a written statement to the police
as well. Um, the same sort of statement that you made the
week before last when you made that statement. Do you understand?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Yeah. When you made a statement to police again, a week
before last Jeanette TAPP was seen also that day and another
statement was taken from her, by actually, by me, that was
the first time I actually met her. Are you aware of the
fact that the day that you were interviewed with your sister
and mum and dad, that Jeanette was obviously interviewed
the same day?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Well it's not a trick question.
LT
Well I didn't know that.
DS G
You didn't know? Well that's fair enough, you may not have
known That's Okay.
LT
No.
DS G
I mean your mum, dad, your sister and you all made statements,
yeah?
LT
Uh huh.
DS G
Witness statements?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Now that was the second statement that Jeanette TAPP made,
which basically, reinforced the first statement that she'd
made about the 5.15 and she got home at 5 and you and Michelle
turned up at quarter past 5. Now she stuck to that statement
the second time around, and as I said to you yesterday,
during the course of being interviewed, she told the uh,
officer, um, Detective Inspector HEARD, that she wasn't
wrong, she'd been lying. She'd been deliberately lying about
you and your sister's movements. That's why a few minutes
ago I invited you to tell me why you think, or why you had,
if you had any idea as to why Jeanette should lie or Jeanette
should want to get back at you, but we can't find the reason
for it, can we?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Well we can't find the reason for it, you said yourself
you're still friends and there isn't an axe to grind so
that in reality there isn't any obvious reason why Jeanette
should try to get back at you is there?
LT
Not that I know of.
DS G
No. Incidentally, something I meant to ask you about earlier
on. when I got back from your house yesterday morning after
the search had been done and you'd been arrested, um, your
mother was present in your bedroom whilst I conducted a
search with another officer, you're obviously not aware
of that, I'm just telling you, but your mother will confirm
that for you, um, during the course of going through your
belongings, obviously only, I brought back as you will appreciate,
certain things from your room, 'cos there is a lot of stuff
in your room isn't there, cuddly toys, all sorts of things
and your school books and yeah?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Right. I noticed also while searching under the bed where
I think that's where you keep most of your old school, you've
left school haven't you?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
That's where you keep most of your old school books and
stuff yeah?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
There's also some martial arts books there. Are they yours?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Are they books that you've had for a long time or are they
books that you've been given as presents or what? Could
you just tell me a little bit about, I haven't got the books,
'cos I left them under your bed, but I noticed the books
being there, were they presents or was it something you
bought yourself or ?
LT
I can't remember.
DS G
Were they books that you've obviously you've read at some
stage 01 looked through at least?
LT
No comment.
DS G
But the reason I'm asking you that is, we know from your
original statement that in fact you were a member of, as
we mentioned yesterday, this jujitsu club or possibly two
clubs, because I believe there was a falling out with one
of the management in the first club, you were studying jujitau,
or learning jujitsu or whatever the term is, I think for
about 4 years or something, 4 or 5 years, is that right?
LT
No comment.
DS G
It's not a trick question. I'm just asking you if you've,
have you studied jujitsu?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
But I don't think you've actually been going to classes
fairly recently have you? It's been some time hasn't it?
LT
Hu huh.
DS G
A year, two years?
LT
I don't know how long.
DS G
Did you have to give that up because of, I know you've had
an injury to your leg without going into it, is that, yeah?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Okay. So having studied martial arts, I suppose it's inevitable
you're going to have some books on the subject. So you obviously
had the books at some stage during the course of studying
the uh, studying the art or whatever, or going to classes,
yeah, you had the books a long time?
LT
No comment.
DS G
When I went through your statement in detail yesterday,
and I basically said that there's lots in this statement
that I could disprove about where you'd been and who you'd
seen, times and so forth. You recall me making comments
to you which you obviously declined to answer yesterday,
yes? Regarding your statement? Yeah, in the interview?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
I asked you about a lad called Phillip who, in your original
statement you made, you said that you, just to refresh your
memorey you said that you'd seen a guy, a Rasta chap called
Phillip, who I think you knew to see and have general conversation
with, and he drove past, or was waving at you, near MacDonalds
about 20 past 4 before you left Bromley according to your
statement, yeah?
LT
No comment.
DS G
But you recall me putting questions to you yesterday regarding
Phillip?
MH
Well yes, I mean, of course we do.
DS G
Yeah but sorry Mr HOLMES, you see you've looked at Mr HOLMES
LT
Yeah.
DS G
I appreciate he's your legal representative, but I put questions
to you regarding Phillip yesterday. It's not a trick question.
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Yeah. Basically you declined to answer any more questions
about Phillip, and I asked you if we could have some more
details on Phillip and obviously Phillip could be an alibi
witness on your behalf. You remember me speaking about Phillip
as a possible all witness who could obviously disprove what
I've been saying to you yes?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
But you said in your statement, uh, 'I think he lives somewhere
in the Bromley area,' you didn't know his address, you didn't
know to contact him, so therefore, he's just someone, an
acquaintance you couldn't get hold of, yeah?
LT
No comment.
DS G
JJ's forthcoming party on, it's obviously gone now, but
uh, which you and Michelle and everybody else was going
to, do you remember getting an invitation to the party?
WDC S It was on 15th June.
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Yeah? And what's it got on the invitation? Did you actually
get a sort of hand printed or hand written invitation or
was it a verbal invitation?
LT
Um, I can't remember.
DS G
She obviously said to you at some stage, are you coming
to the party?
LT
Yeah.
DS G
Yeah? And obviously you stated that you'd been looking for
a dress for ages for the party, so inevitably you'd intended
going to the party yeah?
LT
Uh huhm.
DS G
During the course of a search at Miss TAPP's room yesterday,
after she'd been arrested, a list of guests or prospective
guests for her party was found, and obviously she was questioned
as to the persons listed on that list, yes? Are you understanding
what I'm saying to you?
LT
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
DS G
When it gets down to your name, Lisa, it's got Lisa and
Philllp. She's aware of the fact that you've got a boyfriend
or had a boyfriend, someone that you've seen certainly more
than a couple of times, I think she believes in fact? that
he may be a black lad or along those lines, that you had
intended bringing to the party because she put you and Phillip
on her list. Had you intended taking a boyfriend to that
party? I say a boyfriend without mentioning any names.
LT
I haven't got a boyfriend.
DS G
So on the Invitation list, who's Phillip?
LT
No comment.
DS G
You see, I believe the Phllllp on her list is the Phillip,
so-called Phillip, that you don't know, that you saw down
in Bromley. And lo and behold, at a later stage, this Phillip
will
DS G
appear out of the woodwork somewhere, and, 'I saw Lisa 20
past 4, in Bromley, I was driving my car,' or whatever.
Is Phillip on JJ TAPP's list. The same Phillip that you
make reference to in your statement to police a couple of
weeks ago?
LT
No comment.
DS G
So the likelihood is it's the same person.
LT
No comment.
DS G
You're not saying it isn't? See I've now come to a another
situation here where you were giving your own record of
events of 3rd June, we know what's happened to JJ's recollection
of that day that's gone out the window, and I said to you
yesterday, "It's just you and your sister, have got
each other to depend on." But of course, there's this
so-called Phillip, who I said to you yesterday either existed,
but you won't tell us who he is, or doesn't exist and you've
made him up for the purposes of your alibi in Bromley. Having
left the point there yesterday, obviously wasn't aware of
this list until last night, when my other colleague pointed
out to me that this list had been retreived and there's
Phillip and Lisa invited to the party. See if you can tell
me that Phillip for the party is the same Phillip in Bromley,
well obviously then you know where this Phillip lives, because
he's hardly going to come along to a party with you if you
don't know who he is, what's his surname or where he lives.
Or at least have a phone number for him. And further to
that, if the two Phillips are the same person, you can give
me their details now and I can have an officer
DS G
go round and interview Phillip and see in fact, if he can
corroborate what you've said about 20 past 4 on 3rd June.
So I'm not trying to catch you out here Lisa, I'm getting,
saying to you. here's another opportunity for you to disprove
me wrong. Do you understand what I'm saying to you?
LT
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
DS G
So do you want to tell me Phillip's details so he can be
contacted
LT
No comment.
DS G
I take that to be a no.
MH
It's no comment.
DS G
I appreciate that but I'm looking at the context of the
question. Here is your opportunity to disprove what I'm
saying to you, here the opportunity for you to have someone
else who can corroborate where you were and what you were
doing. I'm holding out the olive branch to you saying tell
me who he is and give me his details an I'll have him seen.
Because if someone can prove me wrong, we don't just hide
them away; we'll take a statement from him which will be
for your benefit not for mine. So do you wish to tell me
who Phillip is? Or confirm for me that the Phillip on the
invitation is the same Phillip in Bromley?
LT
No comment.
DS G
Although you're exercising your right of no comment, you
can exactly see what I've been saying to you just now, and
here's another area where more than likely I would disprove
your story even further, about being in Bromley. That's
why I said to you
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