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08/08/91
- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of LISA JANE TAYLOR
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DS
G earlier on in the interview, the minute you start answering
questions here, I'll disprove everything you say. And although
it's your right in law to make no comment, you can't afford
to make a comment; because the minute you open your mouth,
I'll prove you to be a liar. Because you have lied, you've
lied continuously. You've lied from the day you've made
that statement to police up to this very minute.
You've lied the whole way through, and you've only lied
to me here in this interview room is because you and your
sister are responsible for Alison SHAUGHNESSY's death. You
look away from me as though I may as well be talking about
the man on the moon. Doesn't there, uh, you're like a stone.
There's no emotion coming through, there's nothing, you
know. That's why I emphasise the point again. We're talking
about somebody being murdered here and you sit there as
though nothing has happened. I continually give you opportunities
to prove me wrong, to prove your innocence.
But every time I go down that avenue, you refuse to co-operate.
It's the same as going back yesterday to the blood sample,
Mr HOLMES quite rlghtly explained the procedures to you
of the blood sample, but at the end of it you declined.
Incidentally, you declined also to give head hair, because
I made a mistake at the time, of believing that head hair
was an Intimate sample, but of course, we learned in the
charge room, that it was a non-intimate sample, and I could
have taken the head hair by force had I so wished, because
that's the rules and regulations that governs my behaviour
at DS G at the Police Station.
So in the end you, although you gave head hair and consented
to giving head hair,you only gave that head hair because
you knew for a fact that officers could have actually physically
held you down whilst that hair was taken from you. And had
your head hair been an intimate sample as opposed to a non-intimate
sample, you, as you had done previously, refused, would
have refused to have given that consent. So don't say to
me I've been co-operative, look I've given you my hair,
I mean what else do you need.
I've got your hair because I could have physically taken
your hair, which you were aware of. We wanted the blood
to either prove or disprove. Taking of intimate samples
can go a long way to proving police wrong. They are as good
a sample for a defence as they can be for a prosecution.
But no, you decide, I can't have any of that. And then we
speak about the blood staining on your jacket, that was
found in the back of Michelle's car.
I'm not a scientist, I can't say that that is ...... definitely
Allson's blood or blood group. At the end of the day a scientiest
will say that. But as I said to you earlier on, if it is
Alison SHAUGHNESSY's blood, you're in trouble. I asked you
about Jeanette. There's no reason why Jeanette should be
lying.
I asked you about Phillip, so that I can have enquiries
made about Phillip to prove what you're saying to me and
what you said in your statement is true, but you just continuously
decline to co-operate in any way Not to co-operate with
me, to prove your innocence. I will now go on to some parts
of Jeanette TAPP's statement Which was taken from her yesterday.
This statement was taken from Jeanette TAPP on 7.8.91, which
was yesterday.
She speaks about her original statements to police and basically
the fact that her statements to police originally were correct
up until the sequence of events of returning home that afternoon.
She talks about leaving her mothers, her mother's house
and walking through Lamb Walk, getting back to the Clinic
Where I saw Lisa TAYLOR standing on the balcony outside
my room. She waved to me.
Michelle has key to my room and it's not unusual for her
and Lisa to go into my room when I'm not there. So it was
no surprise to me to see her on my balcony.' Obviously another
sign of friendship, there a key access to her room. She
gets to her room, you're on your own. This is about quarter
past 7. You told her that Michelle had left just after 6
to go and do the flowers with John SHAUGHNESSY.
She didn't see anything wrong in that knowing it was a Monday
night. She knew that's what happened on Monday nights. Now
bearing in mind that Alison SHAUGHNESSY's body wasn't found
before 8.30 in the evening, or thereabouts, JJ TAPP is talking
about the period of quarter past 7 to half 7.
She's talking about being in the room and you're present.
'I noticed that Lisa didnt appear to be herself, she was
fidgeting, whereas she usually sit down and just chats to
me. She kept walking round the room and seemed as though
she wanted to be doing something.' Why were you particularly
fidgety on the 3rd June about 7.15, 7.30? Why were you not
yourself? Were you unwell?
LT
No comment.
DS GL
Was it because you knew something that Michelle was to learn
the following day or that evening?
LT
No comment.
DS GL
She speaks about the phone calls, where you were really
upset, you were crying. She says, "She was really upset
and shaking." But you, you see, I said to you yesterday,
you didn't know Alison very well. I can't understand and
still can't understand, why you were so upset about Alison
being dead.
Well, you've shown no emotion whatsoever towards Alison
SHAUGHNESSY since you've been in this police station, so
I, it's beyond me why you were all upset and shaky. Is it
because you realised, at that stage, what you'd actually
gone and done? It actually had hit home to you that you
have killed her. That's why you were shaking. The realisation
of hearing your sister's voice on the phone, knowing that
My God,that she's actually died, she's dead. Is that why
you were shaking and crying at that time of night? Is it?
LT
No comment.
WDC S
And furthermore, when Michelle made that phone call, she
was already at a police station, which you were fully aware
of. And when she told you, "Lisa, I'm at the police
station," what was going through your mind there?
LT
No comment.
DS GL
There's quite a lot in Miss TAPP's statement I need to go
through with you Miss TAYLOR. It's quite a lengthy statement.
It talks about how she lied and the reasons she gives for
lying and how your sister and you have spoken to her since
the murder, to confirm as to who has made enquiries, what
police officers have been making enquiries, what members
of staff at the hospital, what she'd been saying, and several
times your sister in particular, reiterating the fact that
it was 5, quarter past 5, remember that, quarter past 5
that we were with you, you were there, and goes on to emphasise
the point where your mother confronts JJ and says similar
things. It's 29 minutes registered on the tape. I'm going
to stop the interview and change the tapes. It's 11.42.
I'll stop this interview for the present.
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