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08/08/91
- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of MICHELLE ANNE TAYLOR
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Record of tape interview
Person interviewed: Michelle Ann Taylor
Place of interview: Interview Room, Wandsworth police Station
Date of interview: 8th August 1991
Time commenced: 11.25am
Time concluded: 11.54am
Other person(s) present: DC A Summers, Patricia Lister,
Solicitor
DC S
This interview is being tape recorded. I am DC Adrian SUMMERS
and the other officer present is
DS Gerard GALLAGHER.
There are no other police officers present, is that correct?
M TAYLOR
Yes.
DC S
For the purposes of this interview, can you please state
your full name?
MT
Michelle Anne TAYLOR.
DC S
Also present is?
P LISTER
Patricia LISTER from Andrew Keenan, Solicitors.
DC S
The date today is 8th August 1991 and by my watch it is
now 11.25am We are in the interview room at Wandsworth Police
Station. At the end of the interview I will give you a notice
that will explain the proceedure for dealing with the tape
and how you can have access to it. I must inform you that
you do not have to say anything unless you wish to do so,
but what you say may be given in evidence. Do you understand?
MT
Yes I do understand, and I would like to make no further
comment and I have a short statement that I would like to
read out.
DS G
That's fine Michelle, would you like to read it out please.
MT
I have been advised by my solicitor to make no reply to
all questions asked and I have decided that I wish to follow
this advice. I am not guilty of the murder of Alison SHAUGHNESSY.
Everything I have told you is the truth, and I have no further
comment to make.
DS G
Everything you've told us isn't the truth Michelle.
MT
No comment.
DS G
There's a few things I want to put to you this morning.
A few things that trouble me as a result of what you said
yesterday and as a result of what was in your previous statements.
But first, I want to be fair to you. How are you feeling
this morning? Do you feel up to an interview?
PL
Answer that question.
MT
Yeah.
DS G
Have you had some food or refreshment or nourishment this
morning?
MT
No.
DS G
Do you want anything to eat?
MT
No.
DS G
Have you had the opportunity to wash and change your clothes?
MT
Yes.
DS G
Have you got anything to say about the way you've been treated
whilst you were in the police station?
MT
No.
DS G
And would you agree that I have not spoken to you except
for advising you last night that the doctor was on his way
to the police station?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
I also want to tell you that your father has been arrested
this morning in connection with this enquiry. What can you
tell me about his involvement in Alison SHAUGHNESSY's murder?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Cast your mind back to the 3rd June and that morning in
particular, when you left the Arndale Centre. What cleaning
materials did you take to Sanderstead?
MT
No comment.
DS G
You'd taken cloths and buckets and mops and sponges
MT
No comment.
DS G
polishing machine?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Would your dad know what you took?
MT
No comment.
DS G
When you left Sanderstead why did you phone John and what
did you say?
MT
No comment.
DS G
'Cos you said that yesterday that you told him that you
were going to be late
MT
No comment.
DS G
and you were going shopping. John says that you phoned him
certainly, but it was much later in the day and you didn't
give
DS G
any reason as to why you were going to be late.
MT
No comment.
DS G
When did you first realise that John was giving up the flower
arranging?
MT
No comment.
DS G
So I think you knew that he was just about to give that
up.
MT
No comment.
DS G
And this was another uh, lost opportunity for you to see
him.
MT
No comment.
DS G
Thursday was out the window, you were now working, you couldn't
go to weight training, your aerobics. On Tuesday you had
a bad knee, the only day left was that Monday. And if you
were to see him any other time that would arouse suspicion
and you knew that you were reducing the opportunities to
see him. That's right isn't it?
MT
No comment.
DS G
When you left the flower arranging that night with John
you said went back to his house, and in your statement you
said, you were to have a quick chat and go to the toilet.
Is that right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
And yesterday morning you went on to explain how you had
an upset stomach and you had the runs and that was why you
wanted to go to the toilet.
MT
No comment.
DS G
See I find it incredible that someone suffering from that
complaint, who was in such urgent need to go to the toilet,
didn't actually manage to relieve themselves. Can you explain
that away?
MT
No comment.
DS G
In your earlier interviewing statements, you said that you
knew Alison was dead but couldn't work out what happened.
What kind of thing was that to say?
MT
No comment.
DS G
It was obvious what had happened. She'd been stabbed mercilessly,
isn't that right? It's as obvious as the nose on your face.
MT
No comment.
DS G
And the phone calls about the murder afterwards. Why did
you have to make a phone call? You knew John was going into
Mr CASEY's house, why was it necessary to make two phone
calls?
MT
No comment.
DS G
And you said you'd no cash. You don't need cash for phoning
the emergency service, 999's free. Surely you know that?
MT
No comment.
DS G
You didn't know what to do did you?
MT
No comment.
DS G
You had to get out of that house 'cos your were very uncomfortable,
and the first thing you did was get outside, run down to
the pub and I'll put it to you as strongly as this that
uh, this was a thought-out move for to display false signs
of distress and grief.
MT
No comment.
DS G
Well thought out. Then sometime later you phoned Lisa. You'd
been shopping with Lisa that day hadn't you?
MT
No comment.
DS G
According to you she had about £30. cash on her.
MT
No comment.
DS G
She came back to the Churchill hostel and you phoned her
up to say, "Go to my room, get some cash and get a
cab home." Well why tell her that if she had £30.
on her?
MT
No comment.
DS G
And then you made a couple of statements to the police and
you came back on 24th July, now why was it necessary to
discuss with your family, what you were going to say to
the police?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Surely you would only have wanted to tell the truth?
MT
No comment
DS G
Would that be right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
And you said, "Yes, you didn't like it when Allson
and John were together." You didn't even like her phoning
him at work. You didn't like her full stop. Isn't that right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Did John ever really tell you what he honestly felt about
you?
MT
No comment.
DS G
And why did you tell JJ that John had told you that he didn't
want to marry Alison?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Because that's a lie - he didn't tell you anything of the
sort but you told that to JJ. ls that right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Do you keep a diary?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Did you keep a diary?
MT
No Comment.
DS G
'Cos we found a couple of notepads in your house, referred
to as Exhibit AS/13, sealed in the bag that my colleague's
got here. Hes going to open this sealed bag in front of
you and your solicitor, and i want to refer to some of the
things in these notebooks. He's got a photostat copy of
exhibit AS/13.
DC S
Will you agree that when I came to your flat on the July
incident when you were at Battersea Police Station, I took
possession of those two from your room?
MT
Yeah.
DC S
Right? And wer read them in your room and they're the two
that I took possession from under your bed?
MT
Yeah.
DC S
And they are tha two ones we're talking about?
MT
Yeah.
DC S
Yeah, and we can say that that is your handwriting in there?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
How often did you do your diary? Was it every day or every
week or just when the notion took you?
MT
No comment.
DS G
We have just referred to this photostat copy has got the
pages numbered
DC S
Uh huh,
DS G
We'll have to be guided by
DC S
Alright.
DS G
the numbers in the pages of the photostat copy.
DC S
Do you understand? What we've done, we've photocopied them.
We've put numbers on the photocopy so that we haven't defaced
the originals. So when Gerry tells me a number, I'll look
it up in here, I'll then try and find the entry that corresponds
in the book and let you read the book. Okay?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
The first page I want I want to refer to is page 29.
DC S
20th September 1990 - it's page, it's the back of the first
page in the book, which doesn't have any writing. I'm sorry,
one's got 'at the moment' written in the top and the other
one hasn't. So it's in the back.
DS G
Perhaps we could refer to that as exhibit
DC S
A and B?
DS G
Yes. Is it AS/13?
DS G
Well why not call this book AS/13A and the other book AS/13B?
DC S
Alright.
DS G
To avoid any confusion.
DC S
If you have a look at
DS G
It's page 29 of AS/13A. There's a reference on that page
to uh, words to the fact, 'not straight with myself, Mum
or JJ.' What do you mean by that?
DC S
It's there. Also I'm not being straight with myself or my
Mum or JJ?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Page 30 and 31, it's a continuing, I think it could be at
the bottom of page 30.
DC S
It's there.
DS G
'Messing about, made love, pretend hurt really hurt,'
DC S
Sorry?
DS G
Got it?
DC S
Page 30?
DS G
Oh mm. Page 30 and 31. the note I have made obviously refers
to a long passage on those two pages, but the little bit
I want to pick out, I don't want to pick it out of context,
DC S
Uh huh
DS G
it obviously has to be read in context but it is there.
Did you find it yet?
DC S
No.
DS G
Let's have a look.
DC S
30 and 31?
DS G
Uh huh. 'Pretended to be hurt Yes. John and me had a muck
about fight and then because I was only wearing my nickers
and a blue
DS G
cardigan,' have you got that on page 30?
DC S
Yeah. Oh yes, yes, yes.
MT
Yeah, I've got it.
DS G
'Messing about,' have you got that? And on the next page,
half way down, 'talking of different things, I pretended
to be hurt, never answered his questions because then it
makes it look like you're hurt. I have had a lot of practice.'
This is the point I'm referring to. Did you do that?
DC S
It's about there, 'It starts at different things,' yeah?
On that line there.
DS G
Have you found the passage that I'm referring to ?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
And you understand what you've written in there?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
What do you mean by pretending you're hurt and playing hurt
and, what were you thinking about when you put that down?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Page 34.
DC S
That page dated 10th October.
DS G
The passage, 'clever to play games, make him jealous.' Found
it?
DC S
Yeah. It's down the bottom:. 'I'm playing round, I wanted
to make have you got it?
MT
Yeah.
DC S
Yeah. It reads, 'I did it because I wanted to make him jealous.
He said I didn't tell him everything?
MT
Um.
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