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08/08/91
- RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW of MICHELLE ANNE TAYLOR
Record of tape interview
Person interviewed: Michelle Ann Taylor
Place of interview: Interview Room, Wandsworth police Station
Date of interview: 8th August 1991
Time commenced: 11.56am
Time concluded: 12.11pm
Intervieing officer: DS G Gallagher
Other person(s) present: DC A Summers Patricia Lister, Solicitor
DC SUMMERS
The last tape finished at 11.54 and the time was placed
on the master seal for tape 1 which has been initialled
by the Solicitor can we just confirm that was correct?
P LISTER
That's correct, yes.
DC S
Right, the time now is 11.56, the second tape is inserted.
Can I just clarify a couple of points, Alison, um, Michelle,
between the time the tape was turned and the time the tape
has been turned on, the only question you asked us was for
the bin so that you could put your rubbish in it is that
correct?
M TAYLOR
Yeah.
DC S
No other questions were asked and nothing else was discussed
about the matter in hand?
MT
No.
DC S
Right. As I say, the time now is 11.56, you're still under
caution and the interview is continuing.
DS GALLAGHER
Would you also agree that nobody's entered or left the room
in the intervening period?
MT
Yeah.
DS G
Let's go now to the 3rd June.
DC S
Can I just bring up one point?
DS G
Sure, I do beg your pardon.
DC S
I know it's going back over it. Can you go back to 31st
October Alison, um, I'm sorry, I mean Michelle. The page
where it's got 'I hate Alison,' on 31st October? I'm going
back the wrong way, I think it's coming back my way. Right,
that's the first page, turn over the first page. 'Things
might start,' have you got that?
MT
Yeah.
DC S
Things might start? 'Things might start getting out of hand
and that he doesn't want things to go wrong. He said this
situation is becoming serious.' Is that the situation between
you and him? Or the situation between him and Alison?
MT
No comment.
DC S
'I'm not saying to decide or make a decision now, but the
relationship can't carry on this way. Things might go wrong.'
Is he worried about you being discovered in the Clinic?
Or is he worried about Alison finding out about you and
him?
MT
No comment.
DC S
'He says he doesn't want anything to spoil what we have
got.' Now I know when we spoke to you, you mentioned rumours
flying round. Is that what he was talking about?
MT
No comment.
DC S
Alright. 'He said he's seen it happen before, not with himself
but someone else. I think he meant that he doesn't want
his
DC S
marriage to go on the rocks like his friends. He told me
he thinks a lot about me, and doesn't want me holding on
to something that can't be.' Reading that, does he mean,
what I'm trying to get at is, he doesn't want what you've
got to ruin, it's your assumption that you think he's talking
about him and Alison? 'Cos I've read it four or five times,
and if you read it again, perhaps you can just.... my interpretation
of that is that he doesn't want anything to go wrong between
you and him. Not that he doesn't want anything to go wrong
with Alison. Have I read it wrong?
MT
No comment.
DC S
Alright.
DS G
Good?
DC S
Yeah.
DS G
We'll go to the uh, 3rd June.
DC S
Have you finished with the?
DS G
Yes I have, yes.
DC S
Yeah, I'll
DS G
Okay. See I believe most of what you've told me what happened
that day, the cleaning, the fire station, going home. You
could even have been to Bromley. But the things that worry
me are the sighting of you at the Clinic, and you say you
weren't there? Do you know Carole HEALEY?
PL
My client's looking at me, um, you do not have to answer
this question unless you want to.
MT
No comment.
DS G
Do you know Valerie MacDONALD?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Because both those women know you. Employees at the Clinic.
Caroline HEALEY saw you drive out between 4 and 4.10 and
Valerie MacDONALD saw you and your sister Lisa come back
in your car at 6 o'clock. She even waved to you and you
waved back.
MT
No comment.
DS G
These people, these people, are not mistaken are they? They've
no axe to grind with you.
MT
No comment.
DS G
Now why should you say that? Why should they say they saw
you if they didn't see you?
MT
No comment.
DS G
They said it because it's true, they did see you, isn't
that right?
MT
No comment!
DS G
'Cos between those times you and your sister Lisa went to
41 Varden Road.
MT
No comment.
DS G
You waited until Alison SHAUGHNESSY came home and you approached
her outside her house.
MT
No comment.
DS G
She might have been surprised to see you but you gave her
a, some old story about coming to collect something, a couple
of flower pots or something, something like that.
MT
No comment.
DS G
Then you went into her house with your sister, Alison was
quite happy with you, quite comfortable in the situation,
picked up her mail, still carrying her coat, carrying her
handbag. Those are not the actions of a woman who has been
confronted by some stranger on her front door. Picking up
your mail? That's the last thing you're worrying about when
your attacked on your front door, is worrying about your
mail. She's gone upstairs perfectly comfortable with the
situation, and on the first landing, bang. Stabbed. You
attacked her from behind and your sister stabbed her. That's
right isn't it?
MT
No comment.
DS G
It was all over very quickly and you both left. Left in
a hurry because you were seen. Both of you were seen coming
out of the house and running down the street.
MT
No comment.
DS G
And then you drove to the Churchill Clinic. That's right
isn't it? And Valerie MacDONALD saw you drive in at 6 o'clock.
MT
No comment.
DS G
'Cos your only alibi for those times is JJ, is that right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
According to you you were in JJ's room at 5.15 with Lisa.
Load of old rubbish isn't it?
MT
No comment.
DS G
'Cos JJ certainly wasn't there at 5.15, that's for sure.
MT
No comment.
DS G
JJ didn't even come home until some time after 7 o'clock.
MT
No comment.
DS G
She was with her mum and her sisters. And you and Lisa concocted
the idea that you'd been there from quarter past 5 to plant
this thought in her mind.
MT
No comment.
DS G
And you personnaly, could manipulate JJ very easily?
MT
No comment.
DS G
In fact, you forced JJ to say you were there at quarter
past 5, that's the essence of it isn't it?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Because you remember yesterday I told you that JJ had been
arrested in connection with this enquiry? When she was interviewed
yesterday by my colleagues, and she now has made a written
statement saying that in her previous interview, she told
us a pack of lies and she was nowhere near the Churchill
Clinic at 5.15, she didn't turn up until 7 o'clock or after
7 o'clock, she'd been with her mum and her sisters, that
you and your sister, not only concocted this story, but
reinforced it and forced her to say, to tell the police
she'd been in since quarter past 5. What have you got to
say about that?
MT
No comment.
DS G
That's the truth isn't it? You were nowhere near the Churchill
Clinic at quarter past 5.
MT
No comment.
DS G
Liar, aren't you?
MT
No comment.
DS G
She's terrified of you. Terrified of your sister, terrified
of your whole family. That's right isn't it?
MT
No comment.
DS G
When you said Lisa had never been to uh, Vardens Road, according
to you,
MT
No comment.
DS G
and according to Lisa, she's never been to Vardens Road
either, 41 in particular. John SHAUGHNESSY says she's never
been to Alison's flat. Well, in connection with this enquiry,
fingerprints have been taken from people including you,
and your sister Lisa, for elimination purposes. Your sister
Lisa's fingerprints are inside Alison SHAUGHNESSY's flat.
So if according ot you and her she's never been there, can
you explain how here fingerprints are there?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Her fingerprints are there because she was there with you
on 3rd June. That's right isn't it?
MT
No comment.
DS G
You're a very sad person Michelle aren't you?
MT
No comment.
DS G
You got treated very badly by John SHAUGHNESSY.
MT
No comment.
DS G
I'd only been on this enquiry over a week when uh, I spoke
to you yesterday. From what I've discovered about him, cheating
on his
DS G
wife, treating you like dirt, just to satisfy his lust.
I haven't got an ounce of respect for that man. Just the
same way that you didn't have an ounce of respect for Alison,
Is that right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
She wasn't your friend. You hated her guts, she detested
you. That right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
You tried to con people into thinking you were big pals.
Big, big charade this, wasn't it?
MT
No comment.
DS G
How could you say you were friends with Alison SHAUGHNESSY
when every opportunity you were in bed with her husband?
And even in the marital bed at some time? Uhm? What sort
of respect do you have for a woman to do that?
MT
No comment.
DS G
It's like something you read about in novels and see on
TV isn't it Your whole life, since your relationship with
John SHAUGHNESSY started has been a big lie, you've been
living a lie. You're only kidding yourself. That right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
See I think you're a cunning, devious and crafty woman.
You had the motive to murder Alison SHAUGHNESSY, you wanted
her out of the way, you were madly in love with her husband
and you certainly had the opportunity between 4 and 6 when
you were missing from the Churchill Clinic. That right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
There was one statement that struck me amongst all the others
in this enquiry; it was the statement from a martial arts
instructor, a man with 13 years experience, expertly qualified
in his field, and he said in his statement one little line
that really uh, stood out to me, it says that in combat
she was very aggressive but always with control. And that
was you on the 3rd June. Clinical, brutal murder, aggressive,
control and away. You thought your problem had gone. Isn't
that right?
MT
No comment.
DS G
You see I think you did murder Alison SHAUGHNESSY with your
sister. Your whole life's a lie, you've lied during this
investigation, you've lied during your interview, but if
you're going to lie you need a good memory. And that's what's
let you down. And rather than be caught out lying, you've
sat here and said, 'no comment.' That right Michelle?
MT
No comment.
DS G
Is there anything you want to say?
MT
No.
DS G
Is there anything you want to say?
DC S
No, not at this stage.
DS G
I propose to conclude this interview at this stage. Could
you?
DC S
Do you want to do?
DS G
Oh yes, yes, yes. I forgot about this. Just one question
before we go. Are you willing to take part in an identification
parade and I'll be willing to break off the interview and
let your
DS G
solicitor have private consultation to discuss this matter
with you first and then we'll approach this subject later
on.
PL
Yes. I would like to speak to her before she answers that
question
DS G
Yeah, it's my fault. I should have mentioned this to your
solicitor before and I do apologise, and am quite willing
to stop now,
PL
Right, right, fine.
DS G
and we'll discuss this matter and we will on a later occasion.
Okay?
MT
Yes.
DC S
But basically it will be our intention to ask you to stand
on an ID parade.
PL
Yes.
DC S
We'll leave you a notice obviously you/11 discuss it with
your solicitor and then you'll be able to answer us later,
okay?
PL
Yes.
DC S
Right uh, Michelle, can you just listen very carefully.
Do you wis to add or clarify anything while this tape is
running?
MT
No.
DC S
I will now serve you with a Form 987 which is the notice
that I referred to at the beginning of the interview, it's
the same form that I gave you yesterday, um, do you want
another one served on you?
PL
No.
DC S
I'll serve it on you. It's basically the same form, if you
want
DC S
application to the tapes, um, give it to your Solicitor
she knows what to do, she'll write in and we'll get the
tapes. I now propose to conclude this interview and by my
watch it is now 11 minutes past 12pm. |
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